FFR Suggestions

[YoshL]

Re: FFR Suggestions

Argument is really dumb in my opinion. If you look at the responses of other players, they basically say "ooh it'll get me back into FFR if i can play easy songs on rates and have scores record".

Making FFR more fun and getting people to play it again? Definitely a bad idea right *sarcasm*

[mi40]

Re: FFR Suggestions

punishing people for having a higher skill level is dumb
not rewarding lower skill players for rising up to a challenge is dumb too

[Fission]

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right, that's why i said i don't agree with it. if i misquoted OWA, feel free to correct me. the amount of files i need to AAA that i know i can AAA is one of the reasons i don't play FFR anymore. i'd like to be able to play stuff on 1.5 to get it done quickly since playing them on 1.0 is basically me falling asleep on my keyboard.

[One Winged Angel]

Re: FFR Suggestions

I never elaborated on my opinion in that thread, I just said I disagreed with it

I don't know whose argument is being quoted but that's definitely not mine

edit:

About to grab lunch in like two seconds so can't really elaborate. Will just say I'm highly against having non-1.0 rates reflected in the same scoreboard.

[ryuyasha]

Re: FFR Suggestions

I think saving scores for faster rates is not a good idea. While it generally takes a higher amount of skill to PA at higher rates, showing you have at least enough skill to get the same score on a slower rate, it is not the same as playing at normal rate. One reason for this is it would give people more opportunity to rush through songs for a quick FC, which could then lead to even more mashing for even more FCs. Especially on slower and/or longer songs that people do not want to wait through.

I dunno, not trying to come up with an arbitrary example to justify not allowing higher rate scores, just my two cents. AAA on higher rates may be harder to achieve, and therefore show more skill, but ultimately that is not the same as AAA on normal rate.

[Fission]

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could have sworn that wasn't the case but w/e. either way, one of the game managers should elaborate on the "why not" since it seems to be something that a lot of players want.

give people more opportunity to rush through songs for a quick FC, which could then lead to even more mashing for even more FCs.

conversely, there is more chances to mess up FCs because of hidden jacks or the like. also, nobody should care about FCs. FCs don't mean anything in FFR, it just means you mashed well enough to not CB or better. you need to actually check their levelranks.

[mi40]

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I dunno, not trying to come up with an arbitrary example to justify not allowing higher rate scores, just my two cents. AAA on higher rates may be harder to achieve, and therefore show more skill, but ultimately that is not the same as AAA on normal rate.

it is not an AAA on a normal rate, it's an AAA on a higher rate which shows your skill

basically the levelranks are saying: "i can AAA this file on 1.0"
and if you can AAA on something higher than 1.0 then it's like saying "i can do even better, but i can AAA on 1.0 as well"

it's like what if somebody mashed a FC on rato 1.1, what difference does that make versus a mashed FC on rato 1.0? if anything it's harder to mash FC rato on 1.1 so if somebody gets a better scores on rato 1.1 mashed than rato 1.0 mashed, then the 1.1 score should replace the 1.0 score

and if the person could mash fc rato 1.1, they could probably get a better score on 1.0 (which would then replace the mash fc 1.1 score)




also it provides an incentive for people to start playing most of the genres (esp. for medium to higher level players, which i consider to be a good portion of the site, like d3+)
most players do not go back to difficulty range 1-50 once they're past that.. they keep moving up with their skill level and if they've never played certain songs from difficulty 1-50, they will probably never touch those (unless they have a shitton of time & dedication)

basically a lot of files get boring once you're way past the skill level (d3 players won't play level 10 songs for fun), and rewarding players for achieving scores on better rates than 1.0 provides a new refreshing experience (with rewards!) for the majority of players

who wouldnt want to play secret zombie room on 1.5 lol

[TheSaxRunner05]

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If rates recorded, it would make Vrofl easier to get (anyone could take any song to the density of whoring vrofl, something I am not against). If higher rates make easy songs more interesting and fun for some, I don't see the reason not to allow it. Credit whoring would be easier too, for those who want to earn back gambling hall losses.

I'm for it (+2cents)

[Fission]

Re: FFR Suggestions

the 1.1 score should replace the 1.0 score

ehhhhhhh

you can muck with the frames by messing around with rates. now that i think of it, i feel like that would be the main problem with counting AAAs on different rates

[ryuyasha]

Re: FFR Suggestions

Of course FCs do not matter. But the score-keeping thinks otherwise. Plus there are at least 2 different achievement tokens based on percent of public song FCs.

Edit: Way to go Sax. That is totally a legit reason. And Fission, too.

[mi40]

Re: FFR Suggestions

ehhhhhhh

you can muck with the frames by messing around with rates. now that i think of it, i feel like that would be the main problem with counting AAAs on different rates

higher rates would cause worse frame placements in every single case so idk



also people need to realize, higher rates require that much more stamina & skill - and you're being rewarded for that

think of something lower than 1.0 as practice mode (nothing counts)
but anything higher than 1.0 is a challenge


ex)
if you're gonna play vertex beta 1.5 it's gonna be hard as fuck, and you're only going to be saving like 30 seconds per song
so even if you were to 'whore' for vrofl, you're gonna have that much of a harder time FCing a song
rato has a really good NPS but people dont use it to whore vrofl because it's stupidly hard and hard to FC
same case with higher rates, try whoring EHHS 1.5 for grandtotal, you won't even FC half the time lol

[One Winged Angel]

Re: FFR Suggestions

My only qualm with allowing rates higher than 1.0 to record on the same scoreboard is for instances where a higher rate actually makes the song easier to PA, and these instances do exist given FFR's timing and the way the converter adjusts frames for the file on specific rates. If the song is legitimately more difficult on the higher rate (which it will be 99.5% of the time), obviously the player is more than capable of doing just as well or better on a lower rate, so why not record it?

The argument Fission posted that was supposedly mine is incredibly dumb and I'm upset that my name is being tagged to it lol

[Fission]

Re: FFR Suggestions

not really that legit of a reason imho. you can just modify vrofl requirements and credit counts for higher rates. problem solved.

The argument Fission posted that was supposedly mine is incredibly dumb and I'm upset that my name is being tagged to it lol

i already said that if you didn't make that argument, feel free to correct me. i was just really convinced you did, but i'll take your word for it.

higher rates would cause worse frame placements in every single case so idk

it makes rolls easier in the sense that it makes the frames closer together so they are more forgiving if you aren't as consistent. same with hitting trills as jumps on higher rates.

[mi40]

Re: FFR Suggestions

i hope this gets discussed between the site admins cause it would add a LOT more replay value to the game

(with incentives of course, like being rewarded for AAAing beethoven virus on 1.5, which would be an AAA in levelranks + same GT/creds you would've gotten as 1.0)

[YoshL]

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i'd like to say, AJ (TC_Halogen) tried to test this theory with something like, Skeletor. At around maybe 1.2/1.3, the rolls would basically be jumptrillable, leading to easy AAA right?

yeah, even at his level, he says the initial first half is dumb, and even the speed of the roll gets super dumb

basically, cool, frame gaps get fixed, but you're still playing the song faster than before, and the "cheating patterns" may be easier, but you're still playing a faster, more draining song.