We Can't Keep This Up.

[Nu0n]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

I dont try to see anybody in the community besides my set friends. Everybody else is either learning or already an ego maniac.

With that said, I love FFR and I wont be quiting anytime soon. The best way for this to go away is having the elite players unite and stop allowing fools to run wild.

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

I've avoided this thread for a good reason.

But the section of this post is ****ing absurd and I can't just let him say it.

AJ/kayla/krunky/ichlie: stay in TS. not even kidding

If you think they're the biggest problem you haven't ****ing been here enough you uninformed miscreant idiot. You also just implied TS only has a shitty community, which it doesn't. TS arguably has a better community than we do.

Shut the **** up and go back to whatever the **** you do. They're worth more to this community than you ever will be.

[foilman8806]

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This is the kind of stuff that the OP is talking about and this is the kind of stuff that I'm going to be pretty actively stopping.

Wow, ap. Just wow.

You gave me a 3 week ban for a completely on-topic and entirely reasonable post back on page 2? Your ban reason being "keep the tgb shit in tgb"... really? What exactly in my post is "TGB"? I just expressed my opinion on what I feel is a pretty cut-and-dry topic. Yeah, there are some mean people here. SO WHAT. DEAL WITH IT. But I am by no means advocating or supporting their behavior. The only thing I said is that deleting TGB will do absolutely nothing to curtail the "trolling", in fact, as myself and someone else mentioned earlier, it would cause a lot more drama and havoc. The other thing I said was that if you have a consistent problem with the people in the community, it might not be the community, it might be you. What's so bad about that?

If this is your idea of "actively stopping" this kind of "stuff", then your first move was a giant misstep. If you're set on being a tyrant, you better go back into this thread and ban everyone who doesn't necessarily agree with the OP. Here are a few names to start with:

fido123
ninjaKIWI
who_cares973
dragonmegaXX
MrPopadopalis25
Festive
euphoriakisses
Plan_Bsk81127


In closing, **** you AP, you're a clueless retard.

[Mau5]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

So uh, change nothing?
How is that going for us right now I wonder..?

If we were to achieve this 'Utopian' community standards would be very high and the first person to post the wrong thing would take **** 10x worse than now haha

PS Rename request: Drama Thread 2012

[yo man im awesome]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

If we were to achieve this 'Utopian' community standards would be very high and the first person to post the wrong thing would take **** 10x worse than now haha

PS Rename request: Drama Thread 2012

Exactly what I'm trying to fix with this thread

[Emithith]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

it just seems that FFR is like flies on shit when it comes to drama. I'm starting to think that maybe the people who don't want to be flies should walk away from FFR.

[Mau5]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

Exactly what I'm trying to fix with this thread

Ty for trying.<3 It's pretty much inevitable though...

[One Winged Angel]

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p.s. yo man this thread was doomed to fail because a bunch of people posting in this thread are the problem users themselves lol

[foilman8806]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

Exactly what I'm trying to fix with this thread

You'll never fix anything so long as you have a poor forum staff.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

You'll never fix anything so long as you have a poor forum staff.

indeed

[yo man im awesome]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

Ty for trying.<3 It's pretty much inevitable though...

You'll never fix anything so long as you have a poor forum staff.

Thanks you two for trying so hard to help, now unless you guys actually have something to say that'll benefit us and not make things worse, please stop.

P.S. OWA That's what people said about my "New Way For vROFL?" Thread that eventually led to a bunch of others and the current vROFL thread.

[One Winged Angel]

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P.S. OWA That's what people said about my "New Way For vROFL?" Thread that eventually led to a bunch of others and the current vROFL thread.

lol that's a bit different than what I was pointing out in my post

Making a thread about how to better the community and then having the problem users offer suggestions is a bit different than seeing if vrofl can be achieved in ways aside from top 8 in the official ~_~

[Wineandbread]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

Doubt removing TGB would do anything. If you can't post in one subforum, you find another one to post in if they really wanted to because the people are still there. This does nothing essentially to solve the problem that the OP is actually proposing. I honestly don't see why people want to browse TGB if they don't like it. If you don't like what you see, don't visit that subforum; it's really that simple. I rarely browse TGB when I go on FFR. I was under the impression that TGB was made to be a (fairly) unmoderated subforum for certain audiences to have fun around the restrictions of general rules. The way it developed doesn't seem contrary to this idea. Like okay, yeah, don't post porn and shit. That doesn't actually happen that often; the people who post in TGB aren't stupid, they just like having fun in their own way. Take a harder look at the subforum caption.

This is my retort to people removing TGB: "hey guys why don't we remove CT barely anyone posts in that subforum and it's just people who like to stroke their own egos by flaunting their intelligence" amirite


The OP has some big words and it'd be ideal if this change takes place instantaneously, but it's a fleeting dream. The userbase is the heart of the problem, not flawed moderation.
I'm just going to take the Dossar case as an example: it is not just Dossar "being a good person" here in FFR (ahem weeaboo pack). Yeah, he's trying to better the place and stuff, but the way he does it aggravates a bunch of people. I posted in the life of Dossar thread exclaiming how the interaction is a vicious cycle. To be perfectly honest, banning Dossar would relieve practically all of the drama surrounding him. Easiest solution that compromises the least people. On the other hand, it's not exactly fair to ban the 'victim', even if he is at fault for inciting the drama, and he is trying to help the community, which not all of the accusers are, and they potentially will just find someone else to rag on in the future. But it doesn't seem like Dossar is going to change his personality in a day, and as long as he keeps posting the way he does, people are going to have bad things to say about him (it's also a history/reputation thing for the record). Okay, sure, threaten people with month-bans or dish out bans/thread locks/deletion more frequently. That doesn't solve the heart of the problem because there will always be that negative sexual tension between Dossar and his "#1 fans". If the outlet for their Dossar rage isn't here on FFR, it's going to be elsewhere and the emotions will persist.

What do you do in this situation? To me it just seems unsolvable by moderation standards (in terms of a truly 'fair' solution). You give people free speech, and they will abuse it almost certainly. You give mods more power, and then suddenly a lot of opinions don't seem much like opinions anymore. It's funny how damaged FFR forums are for a community that's been around for so god damn long.

I don't think there is an ideal solution, so imo just let it be, like a few others have said. FFR has survived through worse. As long as there is interest in the game (and Stepmania) things will work themselves out somehow.

tl;dr OP has nice ideas, but implementation is ruined because community will not allow for it

[foilman8806]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

Please don't post if you have nothing but wonderful and glowing things to say.

Please don't post if you think everyone here is overreacting to a handful of mean people.

Please don't post if you don't agree with me.

I'm not trying to start a fight, and I can actually stand behind increasing the positivity around here, but I think it is a.) very difficult to accomplish, b.) nigh impossible with the current forum staff. No one seems to realize this community is and always was the same. You should read a lot of the old threads where people get called out for BS scores. Talk about drama and trolling, that's where it all comes from. It's intrinsic in a forum that is based around a competitive game. IT WILL NEVER GO AWAY.

[Emithith]

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http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...d.php?t=123191

Just gonna leave that here. If you guys want to discuss TGB, probably better to do it there so the mods/admins can keep track of it without sifting through what is now 6 pages of drama.