We Can't Keep This Up.

[dragonmegaXX]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

You can change the way you act on the forums personally, but I don't think trying to lead a glorious revolution into an different mindset of peace and unity amongst members will work.

In the grand scheme of things, you're not saving the world, you're trying to make people on one rhythm game forum stop being mean to each other. Big whoop.

[yo man im awesome]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

You can change the way you act on the forums personally, but I don't think trying to lead a glorious revolution into an different mindset of peace and unity amongst members will work.

In the grand scheme of things, you're not saving the world, you're trying to make people on one rhythm game forum stop being mean to each other. Big whoop.

I think you're missing that that attitude is exactly the thing I'm trying to fix.

I know there's no such thing as a utopia, especially on the internet. But would you rather chill in a ghetto with crimes happening, or a nice suburban town where crimes are minimal, if at all?

[dragonmegaXX]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

But you're comparing a less-than-perfect forum attitude with a ghetto. Also some ghettos really arent that bad if you just dont go looking for bad stuff. Same concept here.

[yo man im awesome]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

But you're comparing a less-than-perfect forum attitude with a ghetto. Also some ghettos really arent that bad if you just dont go looking for bad stuff. Same concept here.

Let me change my question here:

Would you like to see FFR crash and burn eventually, or would you like to be able to continue playing and forum going for much longer?

[Izzy]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

I think the garbage bin should be removed. It promotes shit posting that spreads to the rest of the site. If people that only posted crap left the site than that seems like a positive thing to me.

[kmay]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

i just moved to thirdstyle. the game itself isnt doing for me anymore



we all need to take a break for a while

[popsicle_3000]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

little to no one here acknowledges me by Kevin, and I really appreciate that.

now i know it

and put heavy emphasis on new moderation rules. Punishments would not be light either

Edit: Just read about the deletion of TGB. That is part of ffr. The leaking of how to act there is what needs to be moderated more strictly. Not deleting it entirely.

this exactly. TGB is looser, and moderation is tighter everywhere else. weren't bans back in the day handed out a dime-a-dozen? bring it back

Pretty much all the recent "discussions" in the Suspicious Scores thread, and how it is a perfect example of how downhill this site has gone.

to put in perspective though, there were maybe 5 or 6 people actively involved in that recent event. a far cry from the multitude of people who regularly post on the forums

One thing I request from a lot of people here is to stop mulling about the past and how bad it currently is.

people often remember the past, and think it's the best thing ever. but better to live in the moment, and keep the past as a good memory
look, currently we've got a shiny new engine in the works, lots of new official FFR events, 4 new songs a week (when did that ever happen in the history of FFR??), T-shirts, plenty of quality tournaments, pros getting scores that we'd have never dreamed of, songs new and old getting difficulty changes, teams making a slow comeback, real songs being FSOs, new replay analyzing tools, and new tokens!
dunno about you all, but i'm quite enjoying my time here atm

[Emithith]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

In all honesty, This used to be a place where i could escape from reality for a while, with all the shit bothering me in my outside world.

Same kinda, and now it's just about gotten to be REALITY is what is my escape from FFR.

Seriously guys, pull your pants up, we need to be kinder to everyone instead of raping them in the mouth everyday with stupid attacks and jokes against each other. ESPECIALLY outside the site.

Honestly I didn't think a thread like this would be made, and even more honestly if things don't shape up soon I thought I was gonna quit (might anyway, this place is a drain on time that I'm starting to need..)

2cents on this issue.
edit:

I think the garbage bin should be removed. It promotes shit posting that spreads to the rest of the site. If people that only posted crap left the site than that seems like a positive thing to me.

I completely agree. I don't even understand how a section of this site can be used to trash eachother. It's so negative in there. Instead of it just being a really loose chit chat, it's just become circlejerk central.

[Coolboyrulez0]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

Problem is the rise of too many exclusive circlejerks around here which have gripes with individual posters and other circlejerks.
It's almost like a retarded internet gangwar about who is right, who is better at the game and who has the better posters etc.

[Hakulyte]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

Considering the circumstances, I don't really see how this site could do much better than it currently is. It's just a matter of how you see everything. The fact that you take the time to make a thread like this shows that you care. It would be a different issue if people didn't care, but since you guys mostly seem to do, it's a sign that things are moving.

Problem is the rise of too many exclusive circlejerks around here which have gripes with individual posters and other circlejerks.
It's almost like a retarded internet gangwar about who is right, who is better at the game and who has the better posters etc.

Well, if that's the real problem, this is quite simple and may even turn out entertaining.

We just need to create a really huge group called something along the lines of FFRFOSS for FFR Freedom Of Speech Squad (the name doesn't really matter). Everyone in that group cannot under any circumstances troll someone else (go in profile/pms if you're desperate). Increasing the amount of relevant posts will eventually influence people who trolls because everyone is trolling anyway and may cause some sort of positive bandwagon. Just a random idea.

Edit: +1 on FFR being currently a place where people respond to you based on who you are rather than what you are saying.

[Emithith]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

Problem is the rise of too many exclusive circlejerks around here which have gripes with individual posters and other circlejerks.
It's almost like a retarded internet gangwar about who is right, who is better at the game and who has the better posters etc.

actually the way I see it is just individual groups of people (eg. Higher Tier Players, TGB "Good Posters", Elder FFRers, etc) attacking smaller groups or even just one person at a time. It's pretty pathetic considering we are all FFRers who are already being looked down upon by ThirdStyle for example and others.

Not to say anyone can't have their own personal hates towards each other, but really, this has to stop, what with the gangs/groups of people hating on other players of the community.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that we already are a community ourselves, and a stronger community doesn't try to attack each other and make it less of a community. We're never going to gain strength like this, and I completely agree with OP.

Another thing, We can't even have any new members to enrich the community because everyone is fighting and making the place look hostile to newbies. If I were a new person I would probably just ****ing walk away, and look, if you guys haven't noticed, since like November we have dropped about 200 active members daily. (550~ active members at the highest point of the day to about 330~ at the highest point of the day.)

tldr: really just stop this. Its getting really stupid and we're losing traffic, and we're looking like children. Sorry for the rant, but I've been thinking about this for a month or two now.

[iironiic]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

It's one thing that trolls are doing their job of making this place seem bad, but I think another problem that needs to be looked at is how people are posting in general. Many people are posting in a way where "potential drama" can occur. People just needs to learn how to post without getting too riled up over the internet.

That being said, I am also in favor of removing the Garbage Bin. If trashing others make you laugh on a public forum, go to RedFraction or something to do it. FFR doesn't need that behavior.

Lastly, there will always be trolls on this site and to me, most of them are hard-headed people. It would be a miracle to ask them to keep trolling to a minimum but they won't listen. Usual responses to this are, "Oh man up... it's the Internet. Why are you guys taking this so seriously?" or "It's human nature, deal with it." These are really the only excuses they can come up with, but those reasons are why we can't get rid of trolling. Understood. What about minimizing trolling? Can we do that?

[TC_Halogen]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

when you have a community like FFR that has been around for as long as it has, obviously, forum atmosphere is going to change, especially with the users that have truly been around for a long time.

what people aren't realizing is that, some of the users that have been active in the community, and I mean, truly active (with the game and all of the events that circulate around it, not those who just post around every once in a while or lurk in TGB to cause problems) are slowly starting to realize how much things have changed in the past few years. People no longer seem to enjoy the presence of others anymore, and everyone has their own groups or cliques that they (almost exclusively) hang out at. On top of that, there's also people bandwagoning onto other trends that they have no reason to be on.

I, for one, am getting really sick and tired of people intentionally antagonizing drama for no real reason, and I'm also really tired of people refusing to listen to others out of respect. It's been mentioned by staff sporadically, that the atmosphere of the site needs to change. Rules were updated and changed after the site's return in an effort to get things going. A new moderation team was built.

Enter Free Kommi era, where everyone feels like it is funny to disobey a rule that staff made very clear about temporary banishment. This stupid fad lasted for a long time and Kommi didn't even want it to go on after his original banishment (or so he publicly said), yet people continued to spam the forums with this nonsense and ignore constant warnings. Then, after being appropriately disciplined, the same people would at least two of the following: a.) ban evade, b.) troll/flame a mod for doing what they did, c.) privately show disgust for their issues with breaking rules. What's even worse about this: users that had no reason to be involved with this decided to jump in for no reason, not aware of being appropriately disciplined after they decided to push their luck, which inevitably started spreading frustration/anger because people were "unfairly" punished. That's just one area of time where the community faltered horribly.

By now, I expect some people to go "that's only one thing", even though this fad lasted for a very long time.

I can also name issues within the Queue/Batch discussion thread, where users decided to cause problems because of impatience of a deadline. If FFR is going to thrive as a game, users need to be understanding of those who have an important role handling game content and realizing that quality assurance does take time. Things do slip through cracks, but people constantly getting on the cases of others doesn't help things at all, it makes things that much more frustrating for those who are trying to help get things done.

Then, you have users on here bashing ThirdStyle for no real reason. How do you think it makes FFR look as a community when you're intentionally harping on a game site that does things differently? Anytime ThirdStyle was mentioned on FFR, it was "lolts" this or "tssucks" that. Granted, not all of the community does this, but there was and probably still is a sizable amount of people who have irrelevant issues. It doesn't matter what TS says about FFR, because the communities are separate entities and should always be treated as such.

There's issues within the community too, because certain users constantly take a load of shit and don't really deserve too. I can easily bring up Dossar in this situation, because yeah, you know what, I'll admit that I feel like he sometimes has an abrasive attitude, and I'll admit that it does irk me (and a lot of other people, visually), but arguments and disputes are two way streets. Obviously, not a single person is helping by escalating tensions when all Dossar is doing is being himself. Every single person in the world has their own personality, and it's up to you to either avoid them or let them take get a rise of you. The decision is and always will be yours, and how you react within a community like this impacts other people. Bandwagoning plays a huge impact here, because if multiple people are finding the same issues with a particular person, they're going to make things exponentially worse.

There's also issues with favoritism when it comes to certain staff members (and against certain users), because some people can get away with murder without having any sorts of actions done to them. I'm willing to be honest and say that I've deserved a ban or two in the three years that I've been active on the forums, and yet, it never happened. Hell, I even called out Jae in forums out in the open, and he didn't ban me (and I'm not mad about you not doing it, but I expected it). The point is - in order to have a stronger, more respectful and well rounded community, FFR really needs some sort of consistently enforced infraction system, whether it be for trolling, flaming, disrespect to other members (direct/indirect), whatever.

Basically, FFR has issues with cohesion. People are being themselves for themselves, not being themselves for the site. Everyone still here within the community has a huge opportunity to assist the site and help it move forward, but it takes steps to do so, and it doesn't seem like too many people outside of the staff members are doing so. It's clear that certain staff members are getting overly frustrated, and they might not show it all around FFR, but they will definitely show it elsewhere. Every user on this site has a responsibility of preserving the site and making it thrive, but it will only happen if people get their shit together. It doesn't have to be an internet utopia, and quite frankly, the site would be incredibly boring without any sorts of minor disputes/issues once in a while, but things can definitely be changed for the better. bmah said it right, people need to stop mulling in the past, and to me, that includes bandwagoning against other people, pulling other harmful fads, cliques, etc. It all needs to stop.

EDIT: i'm also in favor of removing TGB, it's one less clique that separates the community if it's pulled.

[kommisar]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

I can only really give my input regarding simfiles and judging since that's all I know how 2 do hehu

I think things have changed a little, especially regarding the game itself.

I remember a time when the people judging files for FFR pretty much had the last say regarding how fun/correct your file was.

People gradually got better and more people have been able to judge. These days it's more of a collaborative effort to try and fix files or give advice on making them better rather than saying "ALL OF THIS IS WRONG WITH YOUR FILE REJECT LOL". It's come a long way but is far from perfect.

People seem to rebel a little more at some of the judges' decisions regarding their files and this isn't necessarily a bad thing. Having as many opinions on a file is important to ensure a generally accepted format of file that everyone will enjoy.

The biggest problem with people asking questions about judgment is the delivery of their message. Sometimes judges will take comments the wrong way and immediately feel the need to get defensive and it'll eventually just boil down to "WELL I'M A JUDGE AND YOU'ER NOT SO I KNO MORE THAN U" rather than sit down together and discuss about the file in question. I was guilty of this as were most of the judges at one point.

It's easy to get defensive over anything remotely threatening your position or comments, but it'd be a much healthier environment if people could just listen once in a while rather than blindly spew whatever shit they have to say without consideration for others, especially during FFR batches.

[00Razor00]

Re: We Can't Keep This Up.

yeah lets all "enforce new rules" so this can happen some more

great idea