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  • Patashu
    FFR Simfile Author
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Apr 2006
    • 8609

    #13276
    Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

    man

    it's annoying looking at a resubmit and seeing that it's barely changed or otherwise still has its core problems
    Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker:
    http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png
    Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1)
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    • Coolboyrulez0
      VICES
      FFR Simfile Author
      FFR Music Producer
      • Aug 2006
      • 10042

      #13277
      Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

      Gonna try to get some kkrusty done for next batch. First serious attempt at breakcore btw, let's see how it goes. (Doing A Quick Death btw)
      The judging process will be at least 2 weeks right? (that should be more than enough time to finish it)
      https://soundcloud.com/cbrbreakcore
      https://cbrrecords.bandcamp.com/

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      • Tasselfoot
        Retired BOSS
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Jul 2003
        • 25185

        #13278
        Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

        damnit dood. are you trying to confuse me with your LOGIC?
        RIP

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        • bmah
          shots FIRED
          Profile Moderator
          FFR Simfile Author
          Global Moderator
          • Oct 2003
          • 8448

          #13279
          Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

          Haha, I hate it when I'm beat with logic. :<

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          • trumaestro
            I don't get no respect
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Jun 2006
            • 1332

            #13280
            Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

            dood used Logic!
            It's super effective!
            Tass used I'm Tass!
            It's super effective!
            dood fainted!
            Tass gained 9001 EXP. points!

            I need to get out more.
            Last edited by trumaestro; 03-7-2009, 01:19 AM.

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            • bob bob
              This Is How We Do It~
              • Oct 2006
              • 3226

              #13281
              Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by trumaestro
              dood used Logic!
              It's super effective!
              Tass used I'm Tass!
              It's super effective!
              dood fainted!
              Tass gained 9001 EXP. points!

              I need to get out more.
              Actually, Moderator pokemon wouldn't be a bad idea.
              Best AAA's: NAINAI69, Eradication, Since 1983
              Best Non AAA's: Gunkienen Tarusuigin, (1-0-1-1), Pandora (6-0-1-0) Rotary Slicers MISSFLAG
              Waiting for 2 Million members...
              5th Place: 7th Official Tournament D5


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              • Tasselfoot
                Retired BOSS
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Jul 2003
                • 25185

                #13282
                Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                there was moderator pokemon in garbage bin once. all the mods picked users to be their pokemon, and we battled with them. changed their avatars, etc... was kinda fun, until it became ultra lame after a few weeks.

                i think whorli STILL has her snorlax avatar up though? this was 2-3 years ago that we did the pokemon battles.
                RIP

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                • Patashu
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 8609

                  #13283
                  Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                  I just had a crazy idea.

                  Instead of outright submitting to a central batch, you have to first run it by R1 simfile authors who have to 'witness' to your file being batch-worthy, either immediately or after any number of back and forth revision and critique sessions; only after you have 2 or 3 or more witnesses will it be considered to be part of the batch at all.

                  Assuming simfile authors care enough to provide critique and bounce files back and forth until they give the A-OK then it'll lead to a higher standard of simfile quality in the batch proper. The batch really shouldn't be the first thing you try (nor the only way to get critique on your files!) but the end result of a rigorous peer review process.

                  Oh, and there'd have to be some rule to inhibit simfile authors who witness for files that are objectively bad. Any thoughts?
                  Last edited by Patashu; 03-7-2009, 03:31 AM.
                  Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker:
                  http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world
                  http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png
                  Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1)
                  http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/xiaoven/solorulzsig.png

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                  • Bolth mannn
                    FFR Veteran
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 2228

                    #13284
                    Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by Patashu
                    I just had a crazy idea.

                    Instead of outright submitting to a central batch, you have to first run it by R1 simfile authors who have to 'witness' to your file being batch-worthy, either immediately or after any number of back and forth revision and critique sessions; only after you have 2 or 3 or more witnesses will it be considered to be part of the batch at all.

                    Assuming simfile authors care enough to provide critique and bounce files back and forth until they give the A-OK then it'll lead to a higher standard of simfile quality in the batch proper. The batch really shouldn't be the first thing you try (nor the only way to get critique on your files!) but the end result of a rigorous peer review process.

                    Oh, and there'd have to be some rule to inhibit simfile authors who witness for files that are objectively bad. Any thoughts?

                    please elaborate.

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                    • Patashu
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 8609

                      #13285
                      Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                      1. you'd have a topic listing R1 simfile authors who are still active and available, their methods of contact and likely times they'll be available to test and discuss
                      2. you've made your file, hooray. now look at the list and send it to as many people as you like.
                      3. the r1 authors who pick up your file will look it over when they can, tell you everything they can find wrong, questionable or open to improvement in your file; if and only if they can find no errors beyond personal preference related issues or tiny, localized sync issue they will say yes to your file in the topic, otherwise they will ask you to improve it and send it again until everything is in order
                      4. once you have two (or three or whatever) r1 authors approving your file in the topic you can submit it to the batch (you'd have links to the specific posts that gave approval or something in the email) and it will be included
                      5. the (hopefully higher quality) prescreened batch is judged as normal
                      HIDDEN ALTERNATE 5: do away with the concept of a batch and include judges amongst the thread instead; once you have absolute approval from x number of judges and y number of regular simfile authors or more tass judges it when he's next able to and makes a decision.
                      Last edited by Patashu; 03-7-2009, 04:03 AM.
                      Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker:
                      http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world
                      http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png
                      Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1)
                      http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/xiaoven/solorulzsig.png

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                      • PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR
                        Threat Emulation
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • May 2004
                        • 5184

                        #13286
                        Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by Tasselfoot
                        there was moderator pokemon in garbage bin once. all the mods picked users to be their pokemon, and we battled with them. changed their avatars, etc... was kinda fun, until it became ultra lame after a few weeks.

                        i think whorli STILL has her snorlax avatar up though? this was 2-3 years ago that we did the pokemon battles.
                        It was that long ago? It seemed like only about a year ago... God how time files.

                        Originally posted by Lightdarkness
                        I'm light f**king darkness

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                        • Xandertrax
                          om nom nom
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 1495

                          #13287
                          Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                          That was originally was the file testing thread was for >.>

                          I'm not sure exactly what happened. But I completely support that idea.

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                          • bluguerrilla
                            FFR Player
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 3966

                            #13288
                            Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                            It's too complicated for this process. Especially since with the terribad files that have no chance to survive, you don't really have to give much feedback.

                            In a perfect world people would resubmit their bad files after you give them feedback. Most of the time, they never do.


                            Peer reviewing is a cool idea but I don't see any really good reason to change how this is set up.

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                            • Knoobish
                              alia shawkat
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 362

                              #13289
                              Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by bluguerrilla
                              It's too complicated for this process. Especially since with the terribad files that have no chance to survive, you don't really have to give much feedback.

                              In a perfect world people would resubmit their bad files after you give them feedback. Most of the time, they never do.


                              Peer reviewing is a cool idea but I don't see any really good reason to change how this is set up.
                              Actually, I feel like the peer review process would give better feedback on terribad files than the batch does. If (big if) people cared enough to give feedback, you'd get feedback a lot quicker than with the batch, which can often take 4-6 weeks to get done. The problem with not getting feedback for that long is that people have already moved on to stepping another file, and if your file is really bad then chances are you're not going to want to take the time to change it, especially if you're in the middle of something else.

                              Maybe a happy medium could be found between Patashu's idea and the current system. Make people who don't have a file in the game/file in the queue get 2-3 people with a file in the game/queue "ok" the file before it can be submitted. That way people who at least have the capacity to step a good file can just send in directly, while others who are less experienced simfile artists have to go through some sort of prejudging process before they're allowed to clutter the batch with low quality, instant-reject files. Experienced simfile artists are likely to have someone test their files anyways, so I don't think it's too unreasonable for newer artists to get a few people to OK the file. This is also a good way for newer artists to become a part of the simfile artist community, as they'll be talking to experienced artists and sharing ideas and the like.
                              Originally posted by THE_MAINFRAME
                              actually it is, my parents hate me i have no friends and everyone hates me, fine i will just go kill myself like anyone here gives a fat flying ****, when im dead no one will miss me and no i wont come back because i will be dead. i might as well end it anyway i suck at life i suck at stepmania i cant get a friend...

                              im going to go kill myself...most likely you will all celebrate and party because everyone hates me so much.

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                              • bluguerrilla
                                FFR Player
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Apr 2006
                                • 3966

                                #13290
                                Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                                Yeah, it's a great idea but it's hard to actually coordinate that many people. It's too many steps for this simple process.

                                That and if people want to improve their files, they can contact someone and express that they actually really do want good feedback.

                                Also, if you're not doing it half-right to begin with, there's almost no hope for improvement.


                                I've thought about this process a lot and initially thought it was a good idea but I really don't think it will work. I mean, look at the file testing threads, which requires almost no coordination and that fell through.

                                But what would it actually improve if this judging process works and people have their files tested beforehand?

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