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Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2
He is. Sad, isn't it. If you get a 16 though it goes into a vote and all of the judges vote if they think your file is good enough or not. Usually, it's either yes, no, or yes with fixes. If you do get a 16 though, they'll let you know what the vote came to.Glorious Morning - Misc, level 48
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wow the judging system is highly flawed if that's the case. all [+.]'s should be a pass i mean seriously how is it not? It should be a the lowest possible accepted grade.Comment
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I do think that subjectivity plays a bigger role in the judging process than just the fun factor. If a file is technically correct with halfway decent PR there is no way in hell it should get a difference between the highest and lowest grades, greater than 2. I can see someone getting 5/x/3/x, but 5/x/2/x?? Come on, something isn't right here. 5/5/1/5 is out of the question, One judge shouldn't have the power to TRUMP reject all the other judges in the team, that's just insane.
When I see these score breakdowns, it sometimes leads me to believe that either some of the judges are unqualified to judge, or unable to judge with objectivity. Sure different judges have different opinions on the 'no-no' level of some sections of files, but I sometimes think that giving a rating of 2 solely because of a slight sync problem is a tad overboard. You've trump rejected a file because someone didn't hit F10/F11 enough.
So my honest opinion? Yes this system needs an overwork. Since we only have 12 judge slots, I don't think doing 2 teams would be the best option because of the overload of files to judge. 4 judge teams of 3 would give each judge even more trump power than they have currently. The two alternatives I have in mind would be:
a. Get more judges
This might not be a possibility seeing as how it's hard enough as is to get everyone to finish on time. (see: Patashu) Although I will admit, the current judge team is doing a really good job of getting notes done on time.
The more probable alternative would be:
b. Toss out the oddball score and make an accept 12 or 13/15
4 judges will still be in a team, just the rating that is most different from the others will be tossed out, resulting in a 15 point system. For example:
kommisar works really hard and makes the most badass file FFR has ever seen. The batch notes come out and he gets [++] [+] [+.] [?]. Under the current judge system, this file would not get queued because it only totals to 16/20. BUT if you toss out the odd 2/5 score, the total would be 14/15; A passing score. A different example:
Dr4g0nSly40r347 throws some piece of hindu throat singing crap together in half an hour. The notes come out and he gets [-] [?] [?] [+.]. While this would be rejected under both systems, the odd +. would be thrown out making for a more accurate depiction of how much of a piece of crap the file actually was. (9/20 vs. 5/15)
TL;DR: Current system gives too much power to the individual judge, we should throw out the most odd score to make a 'majority' type decision rather than a unanimous one.
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I'd like to know if the judge who has't submitted their notes in for Sun and stars can please do that if they are online, because it's weird that only 1 judge's notes is missing for it, and it's the judge who decides the file's fate.
EDIT: I think personally that Rushy's idea about dropping the lowest score of all judge's scores is a beneficial idea. Because it's not fair that a file can have all +'s except for that one ?, or - that completely ****'s the shit out of their chances.Comment
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He'll prolly ? it and trump reject.
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Step a more perfect file that somehow pleases all 4 judges equally the same.
Oh wait that won't even work, because 4(+.) = 16/20 luls
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Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2
I'd like to let you all know that my file is actually a borderline file.
[+][+][+?][+?] = 16 not 17.
EDIT: May I still send in a resubmission, or will I have to wait for next batch?Last edited by iironiic; 03-10-2011, 02:36 PM.Comment
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W_C's didn't count -- shit. That was my bad because he was the person you were going against.
It would be a 16 after all.
EDIT: @ Rushy:
Dropping a score completely is rude to their notes and ideas. Sorry, but if they have a legitimate excuse, it shouldn't be completely thrown away. It's up to the stepartist to appeal ratings they think are complete crap, present a case so that JX and bmah can see it, and then have THEM decide, because they are the head judges.
Example for two files where my ratings trumped out:
Illumination -- this one can have a presented case and probably win because my notes were fairly vague, the structure feels incomplete but other judges don't seem to believe so.
HOWEVER:
He's a Pirate -- (and Mario, you know I like you as an artist, so don't take this offensively) this file is poorly structured and is generically syncopated. It doesn't follow specific things for a large majority of the song, and has a double-BPM section where the bass-drum isn't doubled in BPM -- the energy of the song doesn't serve as a reason to multiply the BPM and make all of the notes red and blue. To me, a structure mishap is necessary fix.Last edited by TC_Halogen; 03-10-2011, 02:43 PM.Comment
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You wanna know rude? See Dossar's 5/5/1/5. That's just a huge kick in the ass. The way one person thinks shouldn't dictate the outcome of a file especially in a 4 judge team, jsin. This is a problem, and it needs a solution, whether mine is valid or not.Last edited by rushyrulz; 03-10-2011, 02:49 PM.
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