Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2

[ichliebekase]

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Yea how it's decided if you're a primary judge or backup/supportive judge is you let bmah and jx know in the forum if you're going to be available for the entire judging process or not. Everyone has their own choice to be primary or backup. Sometimes people will have real life things going on (such as school) during the judging time, so they will choose to be supportive or backup.

[TC_Halogen]

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...really, everyone? alright, dissecting this bit by bit.

annnnnnnnnd finished and sent.
avg rating: 6.95

Thank you.

maybe I should judge again HMM

likewise

if it means we have more indifferent/impartial judges about their situations, then I'm alright with this, because:

I'm all for having people on as a learning experience, but I wouldn't throw them in as main judges. You may think of it as an "elitist" statement but I'd be concerned if half the judges thought 2 minute dumpstream files were the pinnacle of simfile making. To be a judge, one should understand how fun files are made. There is such a thing as an objectively good file and I don't think it should come at the cost of letting lesser quality files in game.

You should not be leveraging the judgments/judgment team simply because you don't want a judge or a group of judges to have a shot at judging. How are any of the backup judges supposed to get any better if a primary judge is not willing to give up their slot due to a lack of punctuality? I understand the situations at hand, but (as you and others have said) there was plenty of time to get things done and they weren't done due to procrastination. That's a huge problem. Even users, the people we are catering to, are saying so:

If backup judges aren't given a chance to judge, then they'll never get good at judging. They were chosen as backups to be there when the main judges can't get the job done, having them step in every now and then does not make them a main judge, they're there for emergencies. There's really no problem with letting them judge ONE batch if you really can't get it done, even If you split it with them.

As for the whole "lesser quality files", that is an extremely subjective topic. Why? Despite what we see as a quality file, our audience (our players) doesn't always see that as the same way. What good is it if players are sitting there and wondering "what are the judges thinking?" Not to say that the players always have the right idea of what a great simfile is, but they are the ones measuring the fun factor simply because they're the people that will play the file time and time again if they like it.

Edit: MarioNintendo also offered to do more than just be supportive if needed, I'm pretty sure he knows how to make a decent file. As well as Jimerax saying he could do about 50% of a group if needed.

^

I watch judge Joe brown and people's court everyday I also have a general idea of how the judicial system works. Therefore I should be allowed to be a supreme court judge

I look at simfiles all the time objectively and have a general idea of what fun factor is - therefore I'm a great FFR judge. Just like your analogy mentions, someone might have a "visual" understanding of it but will never understand a technical perspective (court: laws, regulations, things you'd go to school for; FFR judgment: proper rhythms, structure, phrasing/etc, things you'd learn from actually simfiling).

And like a job there is a chain of command. Before they can judge they need to learn to step and not all that step will move up. I'm not expecting to have all judges needing to match the requirement of 6 years stepping uner Their belt or x amount of files made but to imply that anyone can become a judge and learn as they go is bad

There isn't a chain of command in the batch system, at ALL. There are multiple kinds of judges but they are filled on a first come/first serve basis -- if a person says that they want to be x judge, they are placed in that spot. The only hierarchy within the system is that there are two head judges (bmah/JX), and then the regular judges. As far as the last note - I only had 3 FFR files in game when I became a judge, and I definitely learned as I go. I don't see too many people really making a fuss at my notes, so I know that I learned correctly.

[Choofers]

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I look at simfiles all the time objectively and have a general idea of what fun factor is - therefore I'm a great FFR judge.

i'm confused, is this a dossar post or a halogen post

[Wayward Vagabond]

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Where in any of my posts have I talked about just anyone doing it? I'm talking about the people that are on the team that were selected by JX and bmah. I have no idea where you two are getting anything else from. All the people on the team have files in game. MarioNintendo has 18 already.

All I want, just like most of the people here, is a system that runs smoothly so that we don't have notes coming in 4 days late.

you implied it.

If backup judges aren't given a chance to judge, then they'll never get good at judging. They were chosen as backups to be there when the main judges can't get the job done, having them step in every now and then does not make them a main judge, they're there for emergencies. There's really no problem with letting them judge ONE batch if you really can't get it done, even If you split it with them.

you judge packs and weekly releases. you dont have to judge batches in order to get judging experience

If you're able to be a main judge and decide to be a backup, that's on you. That's not even the point I'm making, I'm elaborating on what Kayla said about how they're picked as backups for a reason, that they're at least good enough to be a backup just in case they're needed.

originally back ups were suppose to be there for back up only because we had enough primary judges. as time went we lost too many judges to keep that system so now everyone posts that they can do it when jx asks

I look at simfiles all the time objectively and have a general idea of what fun factor is - therefore I'm a great FFR judge. Just like your analogy mentions, someone might have a "visual" understanding of it but will never understand a technical perspective (court: laws, regulations, things you'd go to school for; FFR judgment: proper rhythms, structure, phrasing/etc, things you'd learn from actually simfiling).

thanks for proving my point that experience matters

There isn't a chain of command in the batch system, at ALL. There are multiple kinds of judges but they are filled on a first come/first serve basis -- if a person says that they want to be x judge, they are placed in that spot. The only hierarchy within the system is that there are two head judges (bmah/JX), and then the regular judges. As far as the last note - I only had 3 FFR files in game when I became a judge, and I definitely learned as I go. I don't see too many people really making a fuss at my notes, so I know that I learned correctly.

chain of command when it comes to critiquing a file is what i meant. you wouldnt put the same value on someone who barely plays the game vs a judge whos been on the team for x 7 years.

amount of files in game does not dictate their qualifications for becoming a judge

[psychoangel691]

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you implied it.

I said several times the people that JX and bmah chose aka the people that are currently on the team. The people that you don't trust to judge a batch. I don't see how I implied anything else.

[TC_Halogen]

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i'm confused, is this a dossar post or a halogen post

did you hear? roy's staying over at my place and in addition to having an amazing orgy, he's teaching me how to be narcissistic

i'm also becoming very well-versed in stepmanian lingo, drawing alphes, and vibrating fast enough to save a woman $15-$25

in all seriousness though: that was a generalized statement and overly emphasized

[Wayward Vagabond]

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I said several times the people that JX and bmah chose aka the people that are currently on the team. The people that you don't trust to judge a batch. I don't see how I implied anything else.

"only qualified because there isnt anyone else left to actually fit the qualifications" doesnt mean "fits the qualifications"
this is the reason for my distrust.

[krunkykai22]

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This whole thread is just getting ridiculous at this point. It's quite insane that this whole judging team thing is becoming more and more elitist by the MINUTE.

Just because you're on the main team of judging doesn't mean that you can do whatever you want whenever you want. There are DEADLINES. If you can't meet them, give notice or SOMETHING.

I understand if you got sick or hospitalized or a family member death (basically everything MarioNintendo said in his huge post), but when you procrastinate you just show this site and ALL of it's members that you really don't care about anything but yourself.

There are a lot of members that get excited for new releases, and some that get excited for their chart's judging to come in so they can fix what they can or get more excited that they made a great chart. Whatever the case is, as the judging team, you are responsible for the biggest part of this site, the game and it's songs in them.

If you can't show respect to other members by judging and keeping this site continuing on then you shouldn't be here period. Move along.

Procrastination should have a penalty on it. I'm not an experienced judge nor would I want to judge on this site due to what I've seen from "certain" people on here. It's a place that pushes others away because of the elitist attitudes.

And for shits and giggles, Carlos you aren't the god almight judge amongst judges. Enough with the trolling and get serious for at least one damn day.

EDIT: And the back-up judges do NOT need to meet YOUR damn qualifications. They need to meet JX and Bmah's expectations period. They are the game managers and the final word rests with them. If they bring in someone you don't "trust" get over yourself.

[TC_Halogen]

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there is no "only qualified because there's no one left"

bmah/JX chose the people to be on the team because they're qualified to judge, and as non-head batch judges, we are all equally qualified REGARDLESS of how much experience we have.

[SKG_Scintill]

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I'm Scintill, vote for me

[AlexDest]

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I look at simfiles all the time objectively and have a general idea of what fun factor is - therefore I'm a great FFR judge.

Your superiority is ignominious.

Stop attempting to say there's an objective way to view simfiles. It's inexistent.

[Wayward Vagabond]

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there is no "only qualified because there's no one left"

bmah/JX chose the people to be on the team because they're qualified to judge

theyre only qualified as judges because there -is- no one left. you honestly think ichliekjfnvd is qualified to be on the judging team? really? do you honestly think that.

[ichliebekase]

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theyre only qualified as judges because there -is- no one left. you honestly think ichliekjfnvd is qualified to be on the judging team? really? do you honestly think that.

Oh boy was I waiting for this.

If I wasn't qualified, then why did jx approach me to become a judge? If I'm not qualified, then why haven't I been kicked off the team? Oh, because, as you say, there's no one left. Welp, guess that sucks for you.

[Choofers]

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equal opportunity

[TC_Halogen]

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Your superiority is ignominious.

Stop attempting to say there's an objective way to view simfiles. It's inexistent.

I never said there was an objective way to simfiling as a concept, I expressed an overly dramatized statement. If KBO was still around, I could show you a post that I made about how there is no right way to make a correct simfile with plenty of musically relevant examples that no one was able to respond to.

There's nothing ignominious about saying that a simfile should have a structure, and I'm sure a lot of higher level simfile artists would agree. Regardless of what you think, that is an objective measurement. There's also an objective way to view simfiles in terms of correctness in rhythm and sync, so if you want to sit here and say THAT doesn't matter, then you have issues.

and Carlos: honestly, at least she goes out of her damn way to provide somewhat detailed notes. I won't sit here and say that I didn't question her being on the team at first, but she's done a ton of judging at ThirdStyle and her notes are helpful/specific. Having someone who at least provides plentiful notes to help a user is better than someone who writes one-liners that are like "yeah, file is ok [7/10]" since a user doesn't even know what they lost points for.

sorry, but if people are going to take things this way, then the judgment team needs to be restructured.