Nocilol

[Lone--Wanderer]

Re: Lolicon

PIXELS? ALL JUST PIXELS?

Even child porn is represented in pixels.

Hell, should we make there be a law saying that a person must be 18 years or older to view pixels just because pixels are used to make sexually explicit material?

The "pixels" argument means nothing, because when a person sees the image, they don't see pixels-- they see an image.

I see pixels.

Your sight is your only sense that lies; color blind people see the world no less correctly than you do. After all, how do YOU know your sight registers colors as it REALLY is? Maybe you see everything inverted; maybe space is actually white and the sun is actually blue. Heck, the world might not even have color at all. Or everything might be different shades of hot pink and lime green.

See, mortal, your brain makes up and fills in the gaps of a lot of what you see, so you see porn, and I see [incorrectly?] colored pixels. We're both right.

Yay.

[devonin]

Re: Lolicon

So you parse every single image you are ever exposed to as a collection of pixels and never draw any further meaning from them? how are you participating in a discussion when the text you see in front of you isn't actually words with meaning, but are instead a meaningless collection of pixels?

[Garthhh]

Re: Lolicon

I believe it is definitely pedophilia. I think it should be illegal around the world, so then we could start throwing the artists and fans in prison. It will be a great day when the world is rid of anything and everything depicting child porn.

[Master_of_the_Faster]

Re: Lolicon

If a person can't see an image because they have extreme eye problems, they probably couldn't access a computer. As for color, we have had black and white movies and trust me, if we saw a naked lady back before movies were in color, people could make out that the lady was naked. Color doesn't really change what you see. In warcraft, they show partially naked nightelfs who may be blue and we can see more to them than just pixels.

Edit: "I believe it is definitely pedophilia. I think it should be illegal around the world, so then we could start throwing the artists and fans in prison. It will be a great day when the world is rid of anything and everything depicting child porn."

You have no reasons, proof, or anything to back up your view as stated except with what you probably view as "normal".

[Garthhh]

Re: Lolicon

You have no reasons, proof, or anything to back up your view as stated except with what you probably view as "normal".

True.

While lolicon is both good and bad in certain ways, I still think it should be done away with. The only good side is that it leaves people with something other than actual child porn. The bad side is that lolicon could possibly lead to further pedophilia (no proof for this one, I'm just guessing.)

So yes, this is mostly an opinionated decision. But I'm just throwing my two cents in.

[Master_of_the_Faster]

Re: Lolicon

Well your two cents won't buy any strong opinion. After all, money doesn't bring happiness atleast not unless you have enough (my own quote). As for my view on lolicon, it is perfectly fine unless it would potentially lead to a person who is harming another person's life, liberty, or property. Even if you link lolicon to rape, how would one know that a rapist isn't just doing this out of simply wanting to do it? There would most likely never be a clear connection of why this act of viewing a picture would lead to someone harming another's life, liberty, and property.

[Garthhh]

Re: Lolicon

Well your two cents won't buy any strong opinion. After all, money doesn't bring happiness atleast not unless you have enough (my own quote). As for my view on lolicon, it is perfectly fine unless it would potentially lead to a person who is harming another person's life, liberty, or property. Even if you link lolicon to rape, how would one know that a rapist isn't just doing this out of simply wanting to do it? There would most likely never be a clear connection of why this act of viewing a picture would lead to someone harming another's life, liberty, and property.

Ha, you sound like a libertarian to me.

You are true, however, with your example of linking lolicon to rape. I have seen countless times where something unrelated has been blamed for death or crime.

For example, I have seen medications that have no clear link to psychological complications be linked to suicide. It is necessary to understand that people have a lot going on in their lives for the most part. It is not always right to blame something right off the bat.

[Lone--Wanderer]

Re: Lolicon

I believe it is definitely pedophilia. I think it should be illegal around the world, so then we could start throwing the artists and fans in prison. It will be a great day when the world is rid of anything and everything depicting child porn.

THOUGHT POLICE ALERT.

And besides, it's just a drawing, not real child porn with real children. Chillax, people.

[Melone Marshe]

Re: Lolicon

I believe it is definitely pedophilia. I think it should be illegal around the world, so then we could start throwing the artists and fans in prison. It will be a great day when the world is rid of anything and everything depicting child porn.

Just curious as to what you and some others think, but...a few hundred years ago (back when they thought dirt and stuff prevented disease ), the average child birthing age was as young as 12. Should we condemn all of our ancestors for being pedos?

Contrary to what I just said, actually, many places the age of consent IS still 12, if there's an age of consent at all:





My apologies as this seems to technically stray from the original point of the thread. =/

[devonin]

Re: Nocilol

Er...I'm not sure from where you got that map or from where they got their information, but Canada is marked as AoC 12, which is clearly not the case. Unfettered age of consent in canada is 16, unless the other person is both over 18 and in a position of authority, in which case it is 18. (Or at least, that's how various documents on the subject I've had to read for jobs etc describe it)

[Chrissi]

Re: Nocilol

Actually it's marked as 14.

Also, what does "UN rights violation" mean, in respect to an age of consent? I don't quite get that.

[Chrissi]

Re: Lolicon

I see pixels.

Your sight is your only sense that lies; color blind people see the world no less correctly than you do. After all, how do YOU know your sight registers colors as it REALLY is? Maybe you see everything inverted; maybe space is actually white and the sun is actually blue. Heck, the world might not even have color at all. Or everything might be different shades of hot pink and lime green.

See, mortal, your brain makes up and fills in the gaps of a lot of what you see, so you see porn, and I see [incorrectly?] colored pixels. We're both right.

Yay.

Our sight does not "lie" to us. The same way our touch isn't lying to us when we feel something that isn't there, or fail to feel something that is there. Our senses are designed for us to survive and procreate. Nothing more, nothing less. We don't see the world around us accurately - we see it in a way that's useful to our surviving and procreating. As such, you can't play the accuracy card. Nothing we see is accurate. And the feeling we get from any particular colour is irrelevant - the sun will always be yellow, which means it radiates light waves at a wavelength of approximately 575 nm. We interpret that as yellow, because it is useful for us to be able to see the sun. It's useful for us to have colour vision. What the particular colours make us feel isn't particularly important, just that they are different from each other. That's the only important part.

You are being far too technical and failing at it. It would be a better argument to say that image files are only files stored on a hard disk, and all they really are, are many many tiny switches set to "on" or "off" positions, which are translated through your computer, operating system, and specific program to be porn. This means that our computers should be illegal, or at least the programs we use to view porn. After all, they interpret certain files as porn, which can sometimes be illegal. My alarm clock is never going to interpret a series of on-off switches as porn.

[devonin]

Re: Nocilol

Actually it's marked as 14.

Also, what does "UN rights violation" mean, in respect to an age of consent? I don't quite get that.

Probably that the laws there are either nonexistant (And thus what the UN would term human rights abuses are taking place [ie. genital mutilation, frequent sodomy and rape of children under 10 etc]) Or that the laws are somehow in violation of UN dictated rules and regulations regarding such laws.

[Lone--Wanderer]

Re: Lolicon

Our sight does not "lie" to us. The same way our touch isn't lying to us when we feel something that isn't there, or fail to feel something that is there. Our senses are designed for us to survive and procreate. Nothing more, nothing less. We don't see the world around us accurately - we see it in a way that's useful to our surviving and procreating. As such, you can't play the accuracy card. Nothing we see is accurate. And the feeling we get from any particular colour is irrelevant - the sun will always be yellow, which means it radiates light waves at a wavelength of approximately 575 nm. We interpret that as yellow, because it is useful for us to be able to see the sun. It's useful for us to have colour vision. What the particular colours make us feel isn't particularly important, just that they are different from each other. That's the only important part.

You are being far too technical and failing at it. It would be a better argument to say that image files are only files stored on a hard disk, and all they really are, are many many tiny switches set to "on" or "off" positions, which are translated through your computer, operating system, and specific program to be porn. This means that our computers should be illegal, or at least the programs we use to view porn. After all, they interpret certain files as porn, which can sometimes be illegal. My alarm clock is never going to interpret a series of on-off switches as porn.

That works too.

But really. Your sight only sees what it can pick up, so [let's go back to when we were seven-year-olds and afraid of the dark] what if there really IS a monster floating above your head in the middle of the night when you cannot see it? You could feel it if you reached out to touch it [assuming it didn't fly / float away or something], you might hear it, maybe even smell it, but you could not see it. You know it is there, but your eyes can't always confirm what your other senses can.

So why trust sight all the time?



Back on topic. Lolicon is fine with me [and, I must say, from the little I've seen of it, the artists are quite good with hands and skin texture, which is praiseworthy in it's own right]. If you don't like it, don't look at it. Simple as that.

[Melone Marshe]

Re: Nocilol

Got it here, though I suppose the map could be out of date.

And yeah, seems some places no age is set because there is no law, whether it be due to violating some civil right or just no reason at all.