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[Wlfwnd91]

Re: Lolicon

It was due to the MADD group pushing Reagan to up the limit due to drunk driving incidents, but anyways..

If ANYTHING, it should illegal for sex offenders to look at lolicon.

THAT I agree with. If you do have a history of it then anything that would get you going again should be made heavily illegal. I don't have a study to base this off of, I wish they would do one, but chances are if you asked most sex offenders what lolicon is they'd probably say "wtf is wrong with you?" or something like that. I also may be wrong though, cause like I said, I don't believe there's been a study on it or anything. I just don't think that drawings of anything should be outlawed to the general public. There are people who are into the whole child sex thing, and loli helps those urges, but if we outlaw it then these people will sit and fantasize and think and want more and more and more and with no outlet they'll blow and just go around trying to get every kid they can.

[Wlfwnd91]

Re: Lolicon

Eh, this debate is running in circles. I think we can all agree that there are people out there who see loli as art, people who use it to get their jollies off and it helps suppress desires, and those who use it to get their jollies off and it helps build their desires. The question is how much of each is out there.

[Moogy]

Re: Lolicon

I have no problem with it. Perhaps I've been on the internet so long that I'm desensitized to everything, but I don't care what kind of porn people enjoy.

[Pippin667]

Re: Lolicon

I have no problem with it. Perhaps I've been on the internet so long that I'm desensitized to everything, but I don't care what kind of porn people enjoy.

Dido, i would rather have a 40 year old balding 400 pound guy wack off to this stuff then have him do it to a 7 year old asian girl in a swim suit.

[Kilgamayan]

Re: Lolicon

Links to these studies please.

http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/online_artcls/pornography/prngrphy_rape_jp.html

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/...hlight=#306424 for the important parts.

Obviously it's not definitive, it merely points out that an increase in access to lolicon can lead to a decrease in sex crimes against children, but that's still a hell of a find since it goes completely perpendicual to the slippery slope argument.

Anyways, as you say it does go in both directions, would you really want to take a chance and let the people who became more interested into pedophilia continue to look at lolicon until it no longer satisfies their desires and they finally take their sexual frustration out in the real world? Even if looking at lolicon reduces the desire in some people, the ones wanting more are more of a THREAT than they were before.

Given the alternative would be thought police, yes, I'm willing to live with that risk. If you're worried about your kids, be an active defense force for them as a parent.

Also, there's no way you could correlate violent games to lolicon. Video games are for entertainment, not to satisfy sexual cravings. The industry is regulated so that parents are able to decide what's best for their children. They're simply pure entertainment value; nothing more, nothing less. However lolicon constitutes as a sexual satisfaction or a fetish.

One could argue that some people play GTA and the like because they desire to kill/steal/destroy/what-have-you, not because the games are successful forms of gaming entertainment. I would expect studies to back up such a claim, but it's not out of the realm of reasonability.

[Pippin667]

Re: Lolicon

Nice...

[DJ Reality]

Re: Lolicon

I don't see what the big deal is about loli. Loli isn't animated CP. It's a bunch of anime 18 and 19 year olds that look REALLY YOUNG. People need to realize this. HOLY **** THEY LOOK LIKE KIDS THEY MUST BE KIDS! My brother is 14 and he looks like he's still in 6th grade.

Anyways, as you say it does go in both directions, would you really want to take a chance and let the people who became more interested into pedophilia continue to look at lolicon until it no longer satisfies their desires and they finally take their sexual frustration out in the real world? Even if looking at lolicon reduces the desire in some people, the ones wanting more are more of a THREAT than they were before.

This may be true IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, but most of the time it's either the parents fault for not being as protective as they should be, or it's the kid's fault for being really stupid and trusting people they "know" online. This would be why whenever someone looks at me in vid chat and they don't have a cam also, I pretty much make fun of them.

I have no problem with it. Perhaps I've been on the internet so long that I'm desensitized to everything, but I don't care what kind of porn people enjoy.

This was expected.

[Wlfwnd91]

Re: Lolicon

Nice...

Do you have anything significant to add to the conversation in any way shape or form? If not then stay out. And Reality brings up a good point. Who's to say they're not perfectly consenting cartoons who are of age to make their own decisions, but simply look real young?

Toddlerkon is pushin it though..

[GuidoHunter]

Re: Lolicon

shox, again, what about the people who use loli as a legal outlet for wanting to get their rocks off to kids? Were that illegal, too, what's to stop them from going straight to the CP source?

A watery argument, sure, but just as strong as your slippery slope, if you ask me.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Kilgamayan]

Re: Lolicon

If that person played a video game to satisfy an urge to kill someone or destroy something, then they need psychiatric help of some kind.

A lot of the type of people being discussed in this topic could use psychiatric help.

Also, what the hell is Moe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_%28slang%29

[devonin]

Re: Lolicon

shox, again, what about the people who use loli as a legal outlet for wanting to get their rocks off to kids? Were that illegal, too, what's to stop them from going straight to the CP source?

A watery argument, sure, but just as strong as your slippery slope, if you ask me.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

So as long as the people who are sexually aroused by little kids only look at fake drawings of little kids its okay, because if we made it illegal they -might- therefore be tempted to go after real little kids?

I mean, it's one thing to point out that you can't punish someone for a crime they -might- commit in the future, but its another to be functionally encouraging them to foster this sexual interest in little kids, but only think that's bad if they later on decide to act on it.

Nobody in Canada has even been convicted on child porn charges for -just- lolicon style imagery, but the -vast- majority of people convicted of possession of child porn have -both- not -just- real kids.

A connection between the two is there, and causal (Though I know someone is going to try and raise the usual and silly objection anyway)

[AOL_blows911]

Re: Lolicon

So as long as the people who are sexually aroused by little kids only look at fake drawings of little kids its okay, because if we made it illegal they -might- therefore be tempted to go after real little kids?

I mean, it's one thing to point out that you can't punish someone for a crime they -might- commit in the future, but its another to be functionally encouraging them to foster this sexual interest in little kids, but only think that's bad if they later on decide to act on it.

Nobody in Canada has even been convicted on child porn charges for -just- lolicon style imagery, but the -vast- majority of people convicted of possession of child porn have -both- not -just- real kids.

A connection between the two is there, and causal (Though I know someone is going to try and raise the usual and silly objection anyway)

I think the point he was making is that if both are illegal, then some people might go the whole nine yards straight to CP, rather than keep it at loli. I suppose some poeple might stay purely to loli, but I expect that more people would skip loli entirely for pure CP if they were both illegalized. And in the long run, whats better? Some pictures that are suggestive of CP or actual, abusive CP? I would say CP would be worse than loli, overall. Thats my take on it, anyway.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: Lolicon

The only problem with loli is its connections to CP, and how the former might lead to the latter.

Do you really think that making loli illegal would at all reduce the CP problem enough to justify the blow delivered to free speech? Such a law would only target people who had never been exposed to loli or CP, who saw the loli and liked it, only looked at it because it was legal, did NOT find CP morally objectionable or have an issue with its being illegal, and decided to go after the CP for greater sexual gratification.

Anyone else would either go after or refuse to touch CP regardless of whether or not the loli was legal.

Am I missing something?

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[All_That_Chaz]

Re: Lolicon

yay, Guido and I can agree on something!

[Squeek]

Re: Lolicon

Shox, Loli is illegal for registered sex offenders.

I forgot the guy's name, but he's in jail now. He ordered loli manga from Japan and it was intercepted at the airport and confiscated. He had a criminal background as a sex offender, so he was punished.