The Apocalypse is getting Ready.

[Maid]

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If you want answers about everything, i am more than positive you could talk to anyone who knows more about it than i do like a missionary or a high office holding church leader.

You pulling stuff out of your behind or something? None of those officials or w/e have yet to prove anything. They only use a more refined way to confuse you and make you believe in what they tell you. This works on a lot of people. Sadly. They(people) want to believe, because they are afraid of being alone. I'd say fear is one of the main ingredients for religion to exist. As you see, humanity is advancing scientifically quite fast, the more we are into science, I mean, the more we understand, the less need for religion there is. It's simply starting to become outdated in some parts of the world.

[slipstrike0159]

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Well thats essentially what religion is, a God-fearing way to interpret how to live. No i wasnt pulling things out of the air, i know a lot of concepts about the church but i havent studied it enough to know as much as others do. Besides, just because they havent come out and told everyone the specifc reasons why the beliefs could be backed up doesnt mean that they dont know. Fact is, people are too ignorant to believe it even if they were told the truth. You all just have to accept that no one is going to come out with a time machine that can let you personally experience all of the things that people witnessed and wrote about that made up the bible, BoM, etc. So there is really no arguement because no one can REALLY prove their side with hard evidence according to you all.

I understand COMPLETELY what everyone is trying to tell me, i am just trying to defend a different side of the arguement, one that i feel more strongly about and not necessarily one that can be proved more in full.

[sherbtail]

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As for what scottish said; he went on in a rather elaborate and confusing manner to say 'Simply stating the apocalypse will happen has no inherent meaning without any physical evidence to suport it'.

Which is basically an argument against the doctrine, if you didn't catch that. Essentially the doctrine is just a bunch of words that provide no 'real' evidence that the world is going to end or...much of anything for that matter. Also, 'God' is not a reliable source of information, as it is not 'real' in the sense that it is has no physical representation.

I dont know why doctrine came into it...we were talking about Global Warming (yes, it gets capital letters now...) which is physical evidence that the world is going to implode and were all going to die. What more does Scottish want, Global Warming might just be too meaningless words but the fact the worlds getting warmer is a definite action.

And Reach, I question my faith every single day, and sometimes I question my questioning of my faith. This is far too much which is probably why I'm a bit of a rubbish Christian at times but it's really hard when your 'sciency' like I am and nearly every teacher/professor you come across in the science world likes to tell you God is a load of crap. And there is no way to prove God, or prove the validity of the bible, I've been thinking about this a lot recently, thinking why am I a Christian, why should anyone be a Christian. Not because it simply makes them a better person, because you shouldn't need God to help an old lady cross a street. Insurance against going to Hell is certainly no excuse and wanting to feel loved shouldn't be a reason either.
And so it came to me yesterday that the reason I'm a Christian is because, if God exists, and God made this universe around us then he deserves to be loved and followed. And then it simply comes down to whether you believe there is a God or not, and I do, and I can't not. I know this isn't the most satisfactory answer as to why anyone should be a Christian, but to me, it's enough of an answer to stick with my religion and seek out the rest of the unanswered questions.
Sorry I know I've been rambling on, but here is a nice place to sort through all the crap that goes round and round in my brain...

[windsurfer-sp]

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Both are merely unsupported documents by human beings. You're still missing the point because you hold these ideas so closely to you, which is understandable. However, there is still no inherent difference between the two things. You create that difference you perceive.

I dont create the difference of perceprtion in me but Jesus does. People who dont have a relationship with Jesus cant/have-trouble telling the difference between the two.


Secondly alot of the people on the pro-bible, acoylapse seem to forget to metoin Jesus, and the fact the apoyclyapse is Jesus coming back. The apycolapse is has nothing to do with global warming or nuclear destruction, its a spirtual term. What physically happens to the world is not really to important.

Sherbtail, you question your faith daily, but all you metion is God, if you are in a personal relationship with Jesus then questioning your faith is alot harder, or the answer is alot easier to find. (This personal relationship is not scientificaly explainable, so I have given up trying to explain it on theese forums. Its something that requires some faith and you yourself need to seek it.)


Edit: slipstrike0159 is arguing and talking about church, and religion (both of which will not start your belief in the bible and its teachings, past etc....).

What is important is not religion but personal relationship with Jesus. Hes sort of on the right path and hes trying to fight the good fight but like he said hes young and not overly knowledgable about Christanity. Christainity is relationship not religion

[sherbtail]

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Windsurfer, Jesus is God, God is all three parts of the trinity, so I was talking about him, as well as the father and holy spirit.

Yeah, the apocalypse is Jesus coming back, but that doesn't mean to say he won't come back as the world as we know it is destroyed by Global Warming etc. Or even worse, the Christian apocalypse may not occur as Global Warming destroys our cities and creates havoc and we'll just have to live through the suffering.

I don't think having a relationship with God (all three parts) makes finding answers any easier, when most are unanswerable. And although I agree I need a healthy dose of extra faith. However I wouldn't want to stop questioning my faith altogether because then it becomes blind faith, which is one of the worst things there is

[Angel Shiyue]

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JESUS IS NOT GOD.

sherbtail, maybe you should look into other religion's views on god before you say something so idiotic.

Personally, I don't think the Apocalypse isn't going to happen. From a scientific standpoint, the Earth's population is growing so quickly that we're going to overreach ourselves. Eventually, people will just starve off and die. Of course, this is already happening in every country in the world, whether it be homeless people or actual inhabitants. If an Apocalypse does happen, it's not going to be God's wrath - it's going to be man's stupidity. Not saying God doesn't exist, but doesn't the whole Apocalypse thing seem a bit far-fetched to you?

Which brings me to say that the Torah/Bible/Koran/whatever you read is not really much more than stories to teach us how to live by. If you take them literally, then that's your choice and I respect that.

[RandomPscho]

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Eventually, people will just starve off and die.

Isn't food production increases faster than the population? Money is the reason why most people starve.

[Angel Shiyue]

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Isn't food production increases faster than the population? Money is the reason why most people starve.

No, human population is exponential growth while food production is linear. In other words, the human population will keep growing and growing until we overreach the set production of food per year. After all, you can only grow so many crops/kill so many animals.

That is to say unless we either have two children per family just to replace ourselves or find more ways to grow food. While money does play a factor, it's not the only one.

[vvav]

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angel, that food argument is kind of stupid. if we didn't have enough food to support everyone then some people would die off but the world ending from that? everyone would have to die at the same time for that to happen, which is practically impossible.
edit: also, global warming isn't as bad as everyone would have you believe. even in a worst-case scenario where the earth's average temperature is much higher, people wouldn't die out because people would inevitably adapt.

[sherbtail]

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JESUS IS NOT GOD.

sherbtail, maybe you should look into other religion's views on god before you say something so idiotic..

Sorry I was talking from a Christian viewpoint, and in Christianity, Jesus is God, I probably should have made that clear

And also, in most rich countries we've already started having 2 children or less and as more 3rd world countries grow richer they will start having only 2 children too so the worlds population will eventually level out, although its been estimated it'll probably be about 9 billion before this happens

[Jokee]

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TomGirl, I carry about that too. "/

[tha Guardians]

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I believe there is no God; only a blind faith (not to offend anyone).

[sherbtail]

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and can you support this, or do you just have a blind faith that there is no God Oh and Angel Shiyue, I just realised you called me idiotic, that wasn't very nice

[RandomPscho]

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@ Angel

But what about food, the ecologist/demographer might reasonably reply? Surely population growth is now outstripping increases in food output. Well, no, in fact, it isn't. "Not only over the two centuries since Malthus's time, but also during recent decades, the rise in food output has been significantly and consistently outpacing the expansion of world population." But is this merely because of excess production in the less populated areas of Europe and the U.S.? No, just the opposite. "The largest increases in the production of food--not just in the aggregate but also per person--are actually taking place in the third world, particularly in the region that is having the largest absolute increases in the world population, that is, in Asia."

http://www.zmag.org/ZMag/articles/albert3.htm
About half way down.

[penguin-god]

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@ Angel

http://www.zmag.org/ZMag/articles/albert3.htm
About half way down.

nice quote their, people don't seem to realize the starvation is becoming less and less of a problem for humanity, not saying its gone away yet, but a considerable less amount of people die from this. This leads to another myth which is that we are going to become overpopulated because their's to many of us, well people have been saying this for a long time, and it isn't true, what will happen is that technology will grow, and buildings will get taller so more people can fit in a smaller area, we aren't even close to reaching our population limits yet space wise, and won't be in many era's to come. Also in regards to resources aren't exactly going to run out of those either, simply devoople more effective ways of using them ,and start learning how to effectively reuse them. every 10 years for the last 100 years a major sceintist or polictian (like a president) has stated that in 10 years the world will run out of oil, isn't going to happen any time soon, the problem isn't that it is limited, the problem is oil's enviornmental harm when used, and the fact that the countires people buy it from use that money to fund and support terrorism.

Any ways the orignal poster seemed to attack America's competition, well nothing wrong with that, I agree would be better if all humans were perfectly non ambitious, but were not, and therefore to account for that a free market system like we have is the best economic system possible.