The Apocalypse is getting Ready.

[Ashtoreth]

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Ummmm....the suns going to die out in a few billion years anyway :/

And as to predicting the exact date of the so called "end of the world," lets face it, religious fanatics have been doing this for many years and so long as the human imagination remains unbridled, people will continue to search the bible and link it to events happening today.

Im also pretty sure the end of the world has been "prophesized" quite a few times in the past and I've yet to see the day when fire rains from the sky so yeah.

[RandomPscho]

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Does anyone remember the "bible code" fiasco? That had both 2006 and 2012 as atmoic holocausts

2006 is now Religious fanatics are now 0/1 I am sure its higher but I do not know other occurrences off the top of my head.

[Ashtoreth]

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Lol its got to be more that 0/1, the world was to end on y2k and some dates that people like Nostradamus predicted. For instance, there were 21 failed "end of the world' predictions from 1990-1997 and even more before that! http://www.armageddononline.org/failed_armageddon.php the point is, how many times do they have to be wrong before people stop believing?

[slipstrike0159]

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Are you talking for God or yourself? Homosexuals are born homosexual. People are created in God's image. Why shouldn't they be accepted?

I'm not religeous... Mostly because of things like this.

Haha, if you seriously think that homosexuality is a lifestyle you are born with then you obviously lack a specific ability to use common sense. Even though people are created in God's image they still have the free will to go completely against him. The fact is, homosexuality is an abomination in the sight of God and so are the people that participate in it. I cant quote where it specifically says that, but it could be in the doctrine and covenants somewhere.

We have already been told that no one has or will know when the second comming (or for you nonreligious people - the apocalypse) will happen. Its useless to try and predict it, cause you never will.

[Ashtoreth]

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Haha, if you seriously think that homosexuality is a lifestyle you are born with then you obviously lack a specific ability to use common sense.

Wow. You are talking about common sense? I would think that if someone had a choice between being ridiculed all their lives by pretentious and ignorant pricks like you or being attracted to the opposite sex that they would pick the latter. Im sorry but thats like telling a black person that they CHOSE to be black.

[slipstrike0159]

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Well i wasnt saying that one day they just woke up and said "i wanna be gay." What im saying is that its not a forced lifestyle that they cant get out of. They have every opportunity and the will power to choose to not be gay. Im not saying that there may not be something wrong with their brain or anything, but they can choose not to be like that.
Besides, nowadays there are many people who would congradulate and give them a whole freaking lot of positive attention.

[Ashtoreth]

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Ok I kinda see what you mean but, could you turn yourself gay? If not then you're entire arguement falls apart. You're saying they can turn themselves straight so why couldn't you do the opposite?

[slipstrike0159]

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They can... and some people actually do. Did i imply somewhere that they couldnt?

[MagicCarpetRide]

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However, I do believe that inappropriate news coverage (to help spike ratings) is inadvertently scaring people and thus causing people to believe that the end is near, which it isn't.

FAmous last words

[Ashtoreth]

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What im saying is that its not a forced lifestyle that they cant get out of. They have every opportunity and the will power to choose to not be gay. Im not saying that there may not be something wrong with their brain or anything, but they can choose not to be like that.

My other post was meant to show you how one example related to another, you say that they can change just like that. In the blink of an eye. So you could do the same thing? Change to homosexuality just like that? Well before you make such a benighted assumption, you might wanna try my suggestion.

[slipstrike0159]

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Hah! If you are suggesting that i try and turn homosexual to see if im right or not, then you are plum outta luck because thats just stupid. You are taking it for more than its worth, im not saying that it can happen JUST LIKE THAT, but its also not an extremely difficult 'mental breakdown' type of task either. I guess i am not willing to believe that it is something that can only be changed by like a complete mind erase or brainwashing thing because thats what people are telling me for the most part. Everyone says, "they were born that way" which implies that they cant change and it is set in stone.
However, i guess you are right in the fact that i DONT know how difficult it would be because i have not experienced it. Im just saying that you cant seriously say there is no way to change in our modern society where major lifestyle changes happen very frequently and thats where i get my "common sense" arguement from. It is common sense that someones life and life choices arent set in stone FOR them and there is no way of getting out of it.

[Ashtoreth]

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So I guess that makes the '89 Denver Broncos the best team ever.

[scottish]

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OK why are we on the topic of homosexuality? I am pretty damn sure that someone being gay is not going to end the world. Each person has their own personal preference, respect it.
Ok, no need to bring the bible into this thread, it has no proof whatsoever about any "apocalypse" or whatnot.
Has anyone thought to bring the idea of causality into this thread? It would suit it quite well.
First off, the whole concept of an "apocalypse" is a fallacy. We, humans, gave the definition of "the end of the world" to equal "apocalypse", it's totally nonscencicle. It is the same as saying "Oh the world can't exist without some definition of time; we need numbers and words to describe actions in order to exist".
The fact remains is that if you take away that "2:52 AM" or this "January 3rd, 2006", we still live on as if it never existed. Time is a complete human concept, serving no purpose other than to put a definition on it for our organization and understanding of how we percieve it. If I were to say that something happened two-thousand years ago, we would only understand it through recognizing what two-thousand years is, 104,000 weeks, 730,000 days, 17,520,000 hours, etc. etc. Take away the numbers and we have no set concept of proving when something actually did happen. Then someone would say, "oh well words can take place of numbers, a number can also be a word". Doesn't work either. Referring to a day, a number, a week, an hour, a year, a second, so on and so forth would still mean you were making a connection to some sort of "definite" set day, number, week etc.
An easier way of understanding this would be is to pick a person out of a crowd, and ostracize him/her for being single, while you are in the group.
Notice how group and single refer to numbers. You are putting a number on a human being, one is a fabrication, one is in reality. Of course this is rather subjective, but does a number, or by saying the word "one", give some sort of life, living tissue and conscienceness to it? Or does the word itself already have meaning to it, and one has nothing to do with it at all? Oh, 23 definitions to the word one. Definitions? We set definitions to every word in every language. Language and writing is also another human device.
Maybe a little off topic, but it does serve to where I am getting at. Someone mentions the word "apocalypse", and automatically people assume "the end of the world" "the bible" "death" etc. etc. Assume is the key word here. Oh, heres an example.
I'm going to assemble a set of letters and associate an object to this word I am about to create. Xjubyet. Xjubyet means ... means... nope. Not happening. You cannot define an object using words itself, it's a complete contradiction. Do me a favor, define word for me without using words. Yeah.
Although that contradicts itself, actually, that would mean every last thing that has ever been said cannot be proven, including what I am saying now.
Onto the point, saying that cigarettes causes lung cancer is not definite. I know a friend who has smoked 2 packs a day for 60 years and has does not have lung cancer, or any type of cancer at all, and is perfectly healthy for the most part. Then again, my friends father died from lung cancer when he was 45. He had never smoked cigarette in his life.
Causality is essentially defined as "cause --> effect". Saying that the "I'm going to turn the light swtich will cause the light to illuminate" is a good example. Assuming that when you do turn the switch, the light will glow, is just an assumption. There is no cause here, because it is infinite. I turned the light switch on because it was dark. Why was it dark? Because the light wasn't on. Why wasn't the light on? Because I had turned it off earlier. Why did you turn it off earlier? Because I went out. Why did you go out? I needed milk. Why did you need milk? Because I ran out, I wanted cereal. Why did you want cereal, and why did you run out? Because I had cereal yesterday, and because I was hungry. Why were you hungry? Because I hadn't eaten anything today. Why hadn't you eaten anything? Because I ran out of milk. Why didn't you eat anything else? Because I had nothing else. Why didn't you have anything else?
Get the point? Beyond that, you could also go on with a list of effects, which is also infinite.
There is no one true cause to anything. Saying that global warming is going to be the cause of some "apocalypse" is assinine. There is "data" "theories" "hypothesis'" that we, humans, like to rely on, and so called "ascertain", which in the end prove nothing but an assumption. It all relies on experience in life. If you take someone who has never seen a flame before, what will be the first thing that person does, besides look at it? Touch it.
"The human was burned because it touched the flame."
Well lets see, first thing I thought of is Cause:human. Effect:burnt. Cause: flame. Effect, burnt. Is the flame the cause of the burning? Or is the human the cause of the burning? If there was no flame, there wouldn't be a burn. If there was no human, there wouldn't be a burn as well. Saying that the act of the human touching the flame is a cause, but what caused it to do that? If there was no flame at all, then there wouldn't have been an action.
Take that same flame, and put a person that has experienced "burn", either through feeling it, seeing it, hearing about it, etc, and the outcome will be that they will say " Touching that flame will cause me to burn."

Saying that the apocalypse is going to be caused by us, is the same as saying the apocalypse is causing us. Ever think that we may not be causing anything at all? That everything here in life is unpredictable? That there is no cause to something, that there is no effect? That these words that I am using have no meaning at all if we didn't define them with some sort of meaning behind them? That essentially nothing can be described with words? Things just happen. Saying things like "jesus" is going to rise from the dead" or "Someone is gay because god created him that way" have no meaning behind it at all; you are defining someones sexuality on something you have never experienced. You are saying that someone is going to rise from the "dead" when there is no actual definition of dead because no one has yet to come back to tell us what dead is. We assume death is the physical shutdown, or going from existing to non-existing, when in fact, we cannot even say such malarchy.
This whole thing got off topic and a bit confusing, maybe I'll get back to it tomorrow when its not 3:48 in the morning. Oh wait, I'm assuming I'm tired because it's late. Nope, just tired. All I'm trying to say is that every last thought, every idea that we use so commonly is all based off of prior experience, a posteriori if you will. Try describing death to me; all you will do is state your opinion using knowledge of what death means to you through what you have learned about it. Describe a god for me, all you will do is give me your opinion on what you think it is using things you have learned. Of course there is a counter argument to this, which I'll stay off of because I'll end up writing a book.
I take back about what I was trying to say before. Every person is entitled to their own opinion or view on matters, as there is no right or wrong, good or bad, perfect or failure. Everything in the world relies on a matter of perspective, in which you will have a new outcome from every perspective possible. Can we even say that one true thing actually exists? That there is a definition?

[hairyhabenaro]

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If anyone is interested in what the Bible says on this subject, here it is.
The Bible is full of symbolic meaning, but I am pretty sure this was meant to be taken litteraly, so it seems God will never destroy the entire planet.
- "A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite." Ecclesiastes 1:4
- "The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it." Psalms 37:29
- "For this is what the LORD says— he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited— he says: "I am the LORD, and there is no other." Isaiah 45:18
There’s no reason’s for Christians to judge homosexuals or anyone.
- "For I came to call, not righteous people, but sinners." Mathew 9:13
Anyone who reads the Bible and wants to please God can change.
- "When the disciples heard that, they expressed very great surprise, saying: "Who really can be saved?" Looking them in the face, Jesus said to them: "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Mathew 19:25,26
As far as when the end will come, the Bible says that not even Jesus knows, only the Father.
- "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." Mathew 24:36
Believe whatever you want, but that's what the Bible teaches.

[windsurfer-sp]

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- "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." Mathew 24:36
Believe whatever you want, but that's what the Bible teaches.

This is the main point I was thinking throughout the religous theme of the thread, Jesus comes when he comes and theres not much point worrying about it, just always be prepared (Live a life for him).

I dont think that the earth will ever become unlivable on, and if it does hopefully we can move to the moon ot w/ever.

The idea of the eaths envitoment killing us in anyway shape or form is not likely in my eyes, personally I belive Jesus will come b4 that, wheither or nor its not likely.

Scott I like some of your philsophies if they could be called that