Death Itself

[T0rajir0u]

Re: Death Itself

your concious will still exist.

I like how this is stated without any evidence at all.

I know it's tough for people to swallow, which is why they hate hearing it or believing it, but when you die, that's it. Your brain stops working; ergo, your consciousness ceases to exist. You are not.

[TheRapingDragon]

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I know it's tough for people to swallow, which is why they hate hearing it or believing it, but when you die, that's it. Your brain stops working; ergo, your consciousness ceases to exist. You are not.

I also know that our world is governed by what man has already found.

Science - man made.
Religion - man made.
Death - man made.

Who are you to tell me what WILL happen, when nobody has ever came back to tell you anything. If you are going to tell us something, at least set it out as a logical thought, rather than a straight out point.

Yes science has shown that your brain/heart/lungs/everything stops, that is the science that we ourselves have goverened ourself on. That itself does not mean that just because we have discovered these limitations that death does not remove them.

You need to think Tora, how can anything honestly end? It's a tough concept but I want to stick to believing that yes I'll "end" in the theoretically set up sense that mankind has made, but who knows what will actually happen, eh?

[T0rajir0u]

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If you accept that consciousness is the product of biological functions, primarily those in the brain, then you would have to accept that consciousness, such as it is, ceases after death.

If, however, you like the idea that consciousness is something external and removed from the body, that's a different argument. It's not really one I'm willing to get into since it has no resolution.

[scottish]

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If, however, you like the idea that consciousness is something external and removed from the body, that's a different argument. It's not really one I'm willing to get into since it has no resolution.

Thats my belief.

[TheRapingDragon]

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If you accept that consciousness is the product of biological functions, primarily those in the brain, then you would have to accept that consciousness, such as it is, ceases after death.

If, however, you like the idea that consciousness is something external and removed from the body, that's a different argument. It's not really one I'm willing to get into since it has no resolution.

What about a third tangent stating that the consciousness is an external entity that is merely confined via the biological functions of those in the brain? It could just be that our mind is the base for learning, again, who knows.

You can only say "It has no resolution" because a human mind cannot comphrehend something that, according to physics/logic, shouldn't be possible. That's life in a nutshell, a possible impossibility.

[T0rajir0u]

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I say it has no resolution because none of the sides have hard evidence to support their claims.

[TheRapingDragon]

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I say it has no resolution because none of the sides have hard evidence to support their claims.

Which goes back to my point:

You can only say "It has no resolution" because a human mind cannot comphrehend something that, according to physics/logic, shouldn't be possible. That's life in a nutshell, a possible impossibility.

[msbrunnettemickey]

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I also know that our world is governed by what man has already found.

Science - man made.
Religion - man made.
Death - man made.

Who are you to tell me what WILL happen, when nobody has ever came back to tell you anything. If you are going to tell us something, at least set it out as a logical thought, rather than a straight out point.

Yes, everything you have just listed is absolutly right. We can't really give you an answer on what death is really like unless we have actually went through it. The only way we have an idea of what it might be IS through science and religion.

how can anything honestly end? It's a tough concept but I want to stick to believing that yes I'll "end" in the theoretically set up sense that mankind has made, but who knows what will actually happen, eh?

Yeah... it's a pretty tough concept. When you actually "end" after you have relived memories of your life. We are like a working machine until we stop living by a tragety etc./ too old to function. And that's when you leave Earth and you (your soul) go somewhere no one that is still ALIVE has been before.
You choose your path... but you can't compete with death. It could take you anytime even when you least expect it and you will be ready for it when it comes.

Right now you just have to live your moments and enjoy who you are.
We are simply human and we are givin this much... A brain to wonder, to think, to learn and to function.

[Reach]

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Man, let's face it. The brain creates conciousness. When you die, the brain ceases to function. It dies...the cells die...it rots...gg. I don't know...but...occams razor anyone? I hate it when people multiply entities needlessly when the answer is right infront of them XD

[TheRapingDragon]

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Yes yes, the law of succinctness and all that. Don't care. This thread is open to debate, open to philisophical thought. Philosophy basically asks you to question everything from multiple angles. Screw the "face facts".

[Reach]

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It certainly is open but the answer is right infront of everyone. Your brain is going to cease function and there is nothing we can do to stop it XD


How can anything honestly end? That's a really good question. I think you can ALMOST answer it from the other way around.

How can anything begin? Think about it for a second. What are you, really? Go past cells. Go past micro organisms. Go past atoms...go past quarks... and you get to energy itself. We are, essentially a manefestation of energy, that was never created or destoryed.

So, maybe, we shouldn't 'end'. We simply change form. Just as the universe will never end, I get the feeling it never began, even beyond the big bang...the big bang itself could very well have been a different manefestation of already existing energy that never began and will never end.

Now then, none of that changes the fact that your brain, your manefestation is now gone, but, you didn't necessarily end

There's about as much philosophy as you're going to get out of me on this topic for now xD

[scottish]

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Aha reach, good idea. I've said this before, but you just elaborated a little. I like to call it, existance, as in its limitless, there was no begining, there is no end, its just there, or technically, it's in an enclosed system.

[Kles]

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manifestation*

XD

But generally this argument is pointless since there is absolutely nothing based on fact about the afterlife or lack thereof.

So we'll just have to wait and see? I do wonders something though. What creates us? Like, yes, our brain is our consciousness... but where did that consciousness begin? What about pre-life? What was I before this life? I'm not talking about my consciousness, but the actual material of me. Was I part of a dinosaur? A king? A cow? Probably. It's kind of fun to think about that. Since matter cannot be created or destroyed, we all have to come from something, right? It's kind of a cool thing to wonder. As for the consciousness pre-life, are we technically dead? What if there is no pre-life? I'm probably not making much sense and I'm probably off topic, so I'll basically sum up this thread.

Hey let's attempt to comprehend what cannot be comprehended.

[Reach]

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yay for supar gud spelling.

but where did that consciousness begin

the brain...>.> lol

Conciousness isn't 'something'. It's a product of the function of the brain. 'Conciousness isn't floating around and like, waiting to overtake a brain.

What were you before this life? lol. Well, humans are monkeys. I suppose you can keep on going backwards. But I mean, you are you. You wern't anything before you ...came to be, because you wern't, so how could you be something?

Matter can't be created or destoryed? Uh, you mean energy. Matter is kind of an iffy ambiguous word.

[scottish]

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Yes reach, we can say that conciousness is formed from the within the brain/mind, yet we can also say that you are un-concious(sp) and yet we are still concious but not physically. Well, actually, that cant be proven because yes some people may say when they have regained conciousness after being knocked out and remember things, yet that could also be you seeing what you wanted to see, or in other words, false.
Take away words, or meanings we associate with these objects, and we have nothing but the objects themselves. Maybe it is best to look at a simplier or more basic way. As you said earlier, rather than people looking foward to whats comming, how about if people look backwards to the basis of things. Umm, I believe Plato or Socrates had a veiw on something like this, based off of Deductive Reasoning.
While yes, Induction works better due to majority, there would not be a majority if there wasn't a basis of a population. It works sort of like a mirco-cosim.
Back on subject, I tend to repeat myself alot, sorry if I do, but an actual definition of conciousness would not exist if we did not give it meaning. Humans only put objects they see into words because it's much easier to comprehend. So, an educated guess would be, like stated many times before, it is incomprehensible due to the fact that we have not experienced it.