Death Itself

[Z3ratul]

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You live. You die. At best you can prolong the amount of time you have. Enjoy life while you have it. Nobody can gurantee you'll have life after death.

Normally, when something is inevitable, I think that's all the more reason you should think about it, because you should anticipate how you can handle the event as to make your life better. But, in this case, that's irrelevant. So I prefer not to think about it.

[scottish]

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I have a rather wierd concept on it, but i'll put it into a short perspective..
Umm lets see..
Life experiences give us the power to dream, and to comprehend thoughts..and such. Without experiences, we would not think, we would be in a blank space. Yet, blank space would not exist if we did not know about it, so rather than the usual, your in a sleep like dream or something many people say, or reincarnation..how bout a state of preoccupation, enclosed within your mind.
Mind and Brain are two different things, like reach said..its is merely your physical self dying, rather than mentallity. I believe the experiences we live in this physical reality, are stored and kept within the mind. (It may be what we are experiencing now, as in you guys I am talking to right now are just a figment of my imagination..)When physical reality is brought to a hault, our mind creates a state of occupancy, where we only exist within our mind..using only experiences and prior knowledge from physical reality.
Just realizing, I guess this is sort of how dreams work. No person can dream of something that is beyond what they have experienced, so technically, this can be veiwed as a dream
EDIT: Just realizing again, this follows the theory of a philosopher, but I cant remember his name. His theory has to do with at birth our mind is like a blank book, at it records experiences as life moves on. If someone knows who I'm talking about, help me out its bothering me.
EDIT2: Lol, John Locke

[windsurfer-sp]

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Anyway, I'm just sorting of wanting to find out what death actually is, a statement where if I fear death I can simply say to myself "There is no reason to fear, I know what death is, death is ???".

So, thoughts, views?

Death is the passing on from the physcial rhealm to the spirtual rhealm.

You should fear death if you dont where death will lead you. You only fear an exam if your unpreapeared so you shouldnt need to fear death if you are prepared.

I do not fear death because i know i will go to heaven as I have given my life to Jesus.

I know you didnt want a discussion of heaven and hell but death is the pathway to theese places.

If your losing sleep and are feeling afraid get prepared for death and the only way I know how is through Jesus. Good Luck!

[Z3ratul]

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I do not fear death because i know i will go to heaven as I have given my life to Jesus.

If that's what you believe, then I think it's wonderful that you have faith in something. I always have respect (and almost envy) for those that are devout. It's good to place value in your life on something.

However, I'd like to point out that your logic is lacking. See, I believe that because I worship the Abominable Snowman, I'm set, so to speak. He assures me that when I die, I will live an everlasting life in a place he calls 'Delusory'.

I know that sounds silly. But I'm giving it as much backing as you gave your claims.

[windsurfer-sp]

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If that's what you believe, then I think it's wonderful that you have faith in something.

I know that sounds silly. But I'm giving it as much backing as you gave your claims.

Im glad you understood what im talking about and your right I haven't supported my soloution with evidence.

I will post back here later on with evidence to backup my claims. Hopefully when i finish you might be close to having faith in something aswell.

[scottish]

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Either way you look at it, it is substantially hard to provide evidence.

[Suzuru]

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There is no evidence on all theories presented here, I am just going with the most plausible theory based upon the physics we know, and some measure of my own common sense.

Not denying or admitting any of them btw, god may exist, or not, etc. Just saying that my theory is the likeliest outcome after death.

I am just repeating myself. Wanted to make my view absolutely clear.

[scottish]

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We all have our personal preferences, and thats what I think that counts in the end.

[aperson]

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You don't experience death, and that's the simple key part of it.

Perception is a very limited part of what occurs in the human brain, and when you die your perception simply ceases to function. So when you die, you won't care that you're dead, there will be nothing there to care. You will not feel death, because there will be nothing there to feel. Do not try to imagine what death is like, because when you imagine you take use of perception, and death passes beyond the walls of perception.

Death will not be nothingness, the concept of nothing is an element of your perception. Do you get it now? Emotion, feeling, and everything else are all figments of your perception, and since death annihilates perception none of these will apply.

However, the moments leading up to death are pretty fun. It's basically a rush of DMT to your brain that make you trip out and go into complete mental overdrive right before your brain shuts off completely.



Also, any talk of 'the afterlife' or whatever is completely superfluous to this discussion. Your religious views are irrelevant to this discussion be them atheist, christian, taoist, buddhist, or anything else.

[Reach]

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However, the moments leading up to death are pretty fun. It's basically a rush of DMT to your brain that make you trip out and go into complete mental overdrive right before your brain shuts off completely.

Even if you say, get shot in the head or die instantly?

Death isn't always so fun

Not to mention I'm pretty sure DMT created in your brain doesn't have the same effects as the DMT you smoke, and they are unsure of it's actual effect, so I'm not sure if it would be that fun after all. Most natural DMT experiences arn't nearly as uh, exciting as some 4D techno buddah with mad lights. XD

windsurfer-sp, it is absolutely impossible to provide 'evidence' to your claims so don't even bother. Absolutely impossible. If you think you can you are highly mistaken or are confused onto how proof of knowledge is obtained, because you can't obtain it on something supernatural Saying something like 'oh well look at how complex we are' is an example of something that is not evidence.

[Snapps]

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Reach, it sounds like you're provoking him to think differently. Sure it'll start a debate, but with little evidence from what he can give, it will turn out a bit bad. All he can say is that "faith" is the answer.

This is a death thread about what everyone's conception of death is. Mine is the same as ap's view.

[scottish]

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Hey ap, in 2004 I was involved in a skateboarding accident, leaving me in the hospital for three days. A broken skull from my nose to well behind my ear, 4 broken ribs, and a broken collar bone late. Only later did I actually found out what happened in the hospital. Ended up that I had a huge hemotoma leading from above my eyes, clogging my sinus cavities, all the way to the back left side of my brain. On top of that, my skull was cracked from the nasal bone, through the frontal to the temporal and part of the parietal. Well while I was unconscious, doctors had taken a CT and didnt see much. They waited a hour, and took another one. Within that one hour the hemotoma expanded, pressing shattered skull into my brain. Then, my left side of the brain stopped recieving oxygen and blood. Turns out I tore an artery and my brain percieved this as "Lets shut the body down", and I stopped breathing. I was lucky because I was in the process of being transported to the OR at the moment. I was declared dead for 14 seconds, until they drained the hemotoma which somehow restarted my body and I was breathing again. Absolutely absurd, they never heard of this before. While I dont remember what happened, I do remember what was going on inside my head. I had no life capabilities, I couldnt hear myself speak, I couldn't see, all perception and feeling of life were gone. Yet, I was somewhere, unconsious I still remained somewhere. I'm not making reference to any religous belief, I'm only saying I had died and yet, somehow, I am living now with out any repercussions, I am almost 100% healthy. Any idea's on this?
Ohh, heres a pic.

[Reach]

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You wern't dead yet is what happened. Crazy story though, glad you're alright.

Noone comes back from the dead. People come back from near death accidents all the time though. The body was in the 'process' of shutting itself down. You wern't really dead, so you were experiencing something. When they removed what was causing your death the body managed to kick start itself up again. I'm pretty sure you can actually be 'dead' for a few minutes and still restart someones processes and bring them back to life ie their heart.

My mom works at the hospital. I've actually seen someone come in with their head literally 'cut off' at the neck, and it was hanging off to the side, with the spinal cord and some vessels still attached. He was in an ATV accident. He walked out of the hospital some couple hours later. The body sometimes just doesn't die lmfao. Yet at other times people die so easily. Who knows.

Who knows what you saw could be a million things.

[Snapps]

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We're just too stupid to know of a way of restarting the body.

And even though restarting after a certain period of time will mean that the person is going to be in some sort of brain damage since their stuff is dying.

[GuidoHunter]

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Too stupid? We die because our important organs lack the capability to function. We can't do anything about natural wear and tear on a body, and we have developed ways to restart the body for other premature causes of death (defibrillator much?).

I don't see how human stupidity factors in, Snapps.

@your second comment, that's not necessarily true. If you "die" of hypothermia with your brain shutting down quickly, you can be revived with no significant damage. Of course, most natural cases of that happening have at least some damage.

--Guido

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