Death Itself

[TheRapingDragon]

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This thread got popular.

Aperson, although your explanation freaked the hell out of me I must admit that you explained it pretty damn well, thanks for that.

I've now gone about 2 weeks fearing it. Phobia here I come heh.

Though keep talking, this is a good debate.

Oh, and Windsurfer - please do not follow through with when you said you would post up more information to give us "faith". I do not wish to discuss heaven/hell/afterlife. Put that in another thread please, cheers.

[windsurfer-sp]

Re: Death Itself

This thread got popular.

Aperson, although your explanation freaked the hell out of me I must admit that you explained it pretty damn well, thanks for that.

I've now gone about 2 weeks fearing it. Phobia here I come heh.

Though keep talking, this is a good debate.

Oh, and Windsurfer - please do not follow through with when you said you would post up more information to give us "faith". I do not wish to discuss heaven/hell/afterlife. Put that in another thread please, cheers.

Sure sorry I must have been hitting at the wrong target. Good luck with your fear/phobia.

[trillobyite]

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I agree if death just lead to nothingness then i wouldnt be that scared eitheir but i belive that death leads to heaven or hell and the thought of hell scares me more.

Listen to this mp3 it is a recount of someones trip to hell. It sounds wierd but just give it a shot.

http://www.spiritlessons.com/Documents/a_divine_revelation_of_hell/MaryKBaxter_ADivineRevalationOfHell_AllTracks.mp3

Or check this out http://www.spiritlessons.com/Documen...nHell_Text.htm

The pitcure of the guys a little creepy but I mostly belive his recount.

Tell me what you think.

I listened to the first 5 minutes or so......that's pretty interesting and I don't doubt for a second that she probably believes it strongly. Indeed if there was a hell I would be pretty terrified of going to it, but I view it more as a place for souls to be cleansed of sins, rather than a site of eternal torture. Anyway the OP says we can't talk about afterlife so we should drop it here.

The problem with nothingness is that nothingness is still something. We associate nothing, with something, and thats where it goes wrong. Ironically, we cannot decribe beyond what we can comprehend, so describing death is something we cannot do.
And for windsurfer, I'll check them out in a little.

I've always viewed pure nothingness to be of the color, taste, smell, and sound as the space in between me and any object in a room, IE the air. The air does not have any color, no tangible characteristics...
If death means being trapped forever in some sort of dimension of pure nothingness, with the ability to think intact (somehow), I would fear death like no other. But if, like I said, the way death feels is the same as sleeping without dreaming (eternally), it doesn't intimidate me nearly as much.

[Tps222]

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Thinking about the concept of death is an oxymoron.

[Moonsock]

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death n. The end of life; the permanent cessation of vital bodily functions, as manifested in humans by the loss of heartbeat, the absence of spontaneous breathing, and brain death.

But if that's a little too heartless for you, I think death is many things. The end of life, the beginning of something entirely else, a passport to another dimension, etc. Leave it up to your own interpretation and don't get freaked out by others' ideas. I think death should be whatever you want it to be if you fear it so much. It's like people have certain faiths, if you truly need it, then do. If you honestly think knowing what death is like, try to find out if it will make you a better person. I think you should appreciate everything in life though to get your mind off death, i.e.= Aren't you happy that you have family, friends, live in a home, are full, are not in pain, have all your limbs, and gosh, I could go on. If this is seriously bothering you though, maybe you should get some therapy. Gah, therapy, works wonders. Personally, I don't think we should know what death is like, it ruins the whole trip of life and it's a great mystery. I'm not afraid of death because I know so far in my life I've been happy and well, because death happens. My main idea about afterlife, or how I would wish it to be, would be that everyone goes to wherever they believe in, Christians go to heaven or hell, Hindus get reincarnated, and etc. Don't get too into though, you'll end up getting depressed or something awful like that. Hope I helped

[TheRapingDragon]

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Yeah good information Moonsock.

No, I don't need therapy, I'm very happy with life. I'm just a philosopher of sorts and end up thinking too much other things, which just so happens to be death lately. It happens, but at least I got to spark this thread which has become interesting to read, especially with what Scottish and all has posted up (sick injury man).

Of course I'm extremely happy with my life, I have a great future in line for me, uni, girlfriend, blah blah. Though wouldn't the point be that if you had more to lose then it would be more scary to lose it? Such as, if you had all the knowledge you could handle, would you then not fear death more as you would lose your "physical being" (let's just have it as that for a moment) and along with your physical being goes all that it has ever learnt, all that it has ever seen, been, done.

Yes, to whomever said that you would be a rock or something for a milenia, it could happen, but you wouldn't be you, you would not know. Everything that is done would be gone. That's what I mean, it makes life sound pointless yet at the same time it makes you feel "well why shouldn't I be living then, I have nothing to lose".

[scottish]

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Lol, very nice dragon, and as well as others, good points. I dont know why, but I tend to laugh about what comes next. Death could be something amazing, which could be an oxymoron at the same time, yet we could be dying every time we sleep and not even realizing it. We put the word "death" in association with our physical selfs dying, yet its could be something totally different. We could be dead now, and when we "die", we could actually be living. There are numerous, actually infinite ideas on this subject, it could be as something as complex as the truman show, or something as simple as the begining. Who knows...

[SlipKnot666Midnight]

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Death is ceasing to move, breath, or function in anyway whatsoever, your only remaining function is to be recycled back into the earth through decomposition.

There, and for those of you who think your soul goes to heaven, go outside, pick up an ant, or small mouse if you feel like it, and then kill it. You can step on the ant\mouse if you want to. Now look at it, you would be no different from it if a cinder block dropped on you, you are dead and are going to decompose. Anyway, even if the bible did tell the truth, most of you would be going to hell then, and some people (said by the bible itself) are made evil by god so they can go to hell.

[-Izzy-]

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I was thinking about it the other day. I started to scare myself cause i really am scared of death. I see it as the end. Complete nothing. I try and comfort myself by knowing i wont care once it happens. I cant care that other people will be sad. I just find it weird how lightly the world takes death as a whole. It seems like people think its no big deal at all. Like on the news you here 100 million people died and no one is doing anything. Also like in movies how a ton and ton of people die but the main character lives. Its insane. That one person had his whole life taken. Just thinking about things like d-day can be scary. Those men lived there whole lives just to get shot in the face. I dont know where im going with this. im gonna go watch tv.

[TheRapingDragon]

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Izzy, I know exactly how you feel. Luckily I haven't thought too much lately, my girlfriend has been helping me to not get too into fears, so we ended up discussing some other stuff (is time travel obtainable when the future hasn't existed yet, or has the future already existed yet we just haven't been there yet? Has technology stolen free will? That sort of stuff).

I think this thread has summed up everything pretty effectively, death is death. We cannot control it, we cannot comphrehend it. Death is there when we are born, there when we grow up, and inevitably hits us up the face at 100mph when we die.

We can't ever picture death, we can't give it a shape, form, meaning, existence, because death itself is inexistence, the form beyond that of nothing. Nothing, as Scottish stated, is still a perpetual identity we take as something, death is beyond that. Death encompasses all that this world cannot know and cannot ever learn to know.

Guess we have to just enjoy life while we have it and see what happens afterwards, eh?

[Kles]

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Damn Interesting has two articles up that may be of interest to the thread:

http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=518 Near Death Experiences
http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=126 Do you want to live forever?

The first might have more relevance.

[Reach]

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Maybe one day we won't have to die. But it will rely on the artificial.

Sometimes I wonder if an artificial body, organs or even brain will eventually replace us all...ever lasting...ever intelligent and unbounded by imperfection. An interesting thought. Would you want to live forever? Maybe you would in a different mind.

But alas, we are still at this stage, monkeys that are the first to finally realize that they're going to die and there's nothing you can do about it (yet). So indeed, enjoy every last minute of what it's worth.

[Death_Penalty]

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Death is just your physical body dying your concious will still exist.
its almost like an eternal astral projection. your mind will continue to wander but thats not a bad thing, you can gain acess to infinite knowledge of any thing. death is inevitable but its nothing to fear.

[TheRapingDragon]

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its almost like an eternal astral projection. your mind will continue to wander but thats not a bad thing, you can gain acess to infinite knowledge of any thing. death is inevitable but its nothing to fear.

Proof, theory, elaboration?

[scottish]

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Well I do believe that mind is seperate from body, so I will base it on assuming death is physical. The fact that our mind cannot produce any thought that we, ourselves have never experienced/heard/seen/etc.. in the world we live in. Why the restriction?