Leaving FFR for a while

[Gradiant]

Re: Leaving FFR for a while

Maybe his dad is settng rules like that so riot spends has more time to work and make some money so he can move out, rather than living in his parents house longer. Its a parents job to prepare their kids for the real world and it seems his mistake was not only overreacting and shooting a phone, but also for letting riot think that its a good life to only go to school and play games at your parents house nstead of trying to earn some money. There are some very rare cases in which gaming earns money, but realisticly, this is a poor argument. Im also shocked at how many people in here are saying that riot should not follow his parents rules while living under their roof, so i want to post that you guys should grow up. Then i look at your ages on the forum and it saddens me.

[Gradiant]

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Do you now how lng this situation has been going on? Its not an extremely dangerous situation either, as i seriously doubt a father would shoot his child with the gun.

[Reincarnate]

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1. The kind of person who is willing to discharge a weapon to destroy his son's property in anger is probably not the kind of person who was rational about the rules in the first place. Odds are if it wasn't the computer, it would have been something else.

2. Crazy, short-tempered people can and will be set off by anything, even behavior that is otherwise normal. For example, a father who calls his daughter a slut and shames her for kissing her boyfriend, etc.

3. Riot is 20 years old. It's not unusual for people at that age (and in this economy, no doubt) to be living with their parents temporarily while they finish up school or look for work.

4. There's nothing unreasonable about having ground rules in your own home for guests, family, etc. But again, see point #2. Again, there's no good reason to pull out a gun to make your point.

5. Not everyone is rational or amenable to reason. Some people are legitimately crazy, unreasonable, and possibly dangerous. Some people will hurt, abuse, humiliate, or sabotage their own children.

[Cavernio]

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Why do you keep falling back to the rules being unjustified which we are already in agreement over, and continue to neglect that they are his the rules to freely enforce, justified or not.

Because I -don't- think anyone's allowed to freely enforce any old rule rules just because they own a piece of land and they're letting someone else live there. If the rules are bogus, then no, they shouldn't be allowed to be enforced. One is contingent on the other, they aren't separated that way to me.
It can be abusive to enforce bogus rules (simply having them isn't if they aren't enforced at all) and it can be abusive to enforce good rules if the enforcement is bad.

[korny]

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They shouldn't, but they are. Nothing you can do about it.

[Cavernio]

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Maybe his dad is settng rules like that so riot spends has more time to work and make some money so he can move out, rather than living in his parents house longer. Its a parents job to prepare their kids for the real world and it seems his mistake was not only overreacting and shooting a phone, but also for letting riot think that its a good life to only go to school and play games at your parents house nstead of trying to earn some money. There are some very rare cases in which gaming earns money, but realisticly, this is a poor argument. Im also shocked at how many people in here are saying that riot should not follow his parents rules while living under their roof, so i want to post that you guys should grow up. Then i look at your ages on the forum and it saddens me.

Of COURSE that's the impetus for the rule his dad set. And it is irrelevant, (although, as Dev has addressed, it's also a sieve of an argument.) Living under someone else's roof doesn't give them any sort of legal or moral right to destroy your possessions and restrict your time. Your perspective is that he's still a child, which makes me think that you, yourself, view yourself as a child too.

I honestly would not be upset by his dad's actions if he just kicked riotpolice to the curb. I would think 'wow, that really fucking sucks', and I would feel sorry him (regardless of if he's actually being lazy) but I wouldn't be questioning if riotpolice is getting abused and manipulated. Afterall, one cannot be abused when there is no contact/relationship to abuse, and yet it's blatantly wrong to think of someone who's being abused that they're choosing to be abused.
What part of 'move out riotpolice' don't you understand? That's the stance most people who are aghast at this are taking, not 'stay there and suck it up, play games every now and then but don't get caught.'

[Gradiant]

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Living under someone else's roof doesn't give them any sort of legal or moral right to destroy your possessions and restrict your time.

Who's phone and computer and internet is it? Does riot own all of his stuff? If his dad owns those things and pays for it, its not riot's is it...

[L.B.D.D]

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3. Riot is 20 years old. It's not unusual for people at that age (and in this economy, no doubt) to be living with their parents temporarily while they finish up school or look for work.

and this also means riotpolice is not independent (yet), which means he should also abide by his parents' rules, and in return his parents are willing to provide him proper care (food, a room in the house, etc)
so he should become independent asap

seems to me riotpolice has effectively ignored all of his parents' previous attempts to get him to play less games / spend more time doing 'productive' things like focusing on school

of course, all of that doesn't matter at all if riotpolice is
1) a person who actually does not play games much
2) his parents are short tempered

looks like it's neither because it's clear to me that riotpolice obviously spends a TON of time playing ffr/other games, AND his parents obviously went over the line but it probably built up for a LONG time (think few years of telling your kid to stop playing video games)

[Reincarnate]

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It's like you honed in on one single point and ignored the context of everything else.

[kommisar]

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two adults with conflicting ideas what a concept. but like I said, being a FATHER is different from being a landlord. i'm 23 and my mother is still as motherly as she was when I was 5. moving out was due to differences in lifestyles and priorities, but it does not in any way change the fact that she is my mother and that will never change.



hope you find a way out riot.

[L.B.D.D]

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It's like you honed in on one single point and ignored the context of everything else.

where in my post did i say you were wrong, why do you always think a response to your stuff is argumentative rofl

i'm just adding on to one of your statements with what i think

[TC_Halogen]

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two adults with conflicting ideas what a concept. but like I said, being a FATHER is different from being a landlord. i'm 23 and my mother is still as motherly as she was when I was 5. moving out was due to differences in lifestyles and priorities, but it does not in any way change the fact that she is my mother and that will never change.

This.

While I obviously don't condone that kind of abuse by simply destroying property in a very violent and unnecessary manner, the fact of the matter is that Riotpolice was still staying in his father's house, and his father technically is supporting him. Destroying property in the way that he did is completely uncalled for and definitely should be a red flag for Riot to leave (that kind of instability in emotions is NOT something that is safe), but in no way should we all dismiss anything that Riotpolice may have done to get his father react to him and his normal day-to-day life (whether that may be playing games, browsing the internet, spending less time on priorities, etc).

In many situations like this, as Anaru said, both parties are definitely at fault. One side had an overreaction, the other side allowed this to build up to an overreaction. Riot's father likely still cares a lot about Riot and might feel like time is being wasted doing things that are not important -- we can't really make any sort of decision as to who's right because we will only hear one side of the story. Speculations abound.

Riot should just look into moving out and staying with someone else, and applying himself in things that are a bit more meaningful, or (more preferably: and) find a way to become self-sustaining so that he can do what he wants.

[dAnceguy117]

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I don't think we can say "both parties are definitely at fault" (keyword definitely) unless we have a complete, unbiased perspective on the situation. otherwise, we would be making an assumption based on incomplete information.

"more meaningful" seems subjective. becoming able to provide for oneself is certainly the goal, and school is often a means to getting a job and reaching that goal. I wouldn't call a student a bum if they're taking classes full-time and earning whatever grades will be needed, no matter what they choose to do with their free time.

there seems to be a lot of speculation here about all of the details involved in the situation with Riotpolice and his father. why's that? there's no prize for guessing correctly.

[rushyrulz]

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I agree with you that turning the gun on his son would never have happened (I'm assuming they brought the phone out to the backyard and made a big theatrical deal out of the whole event). But the specifics of how long the problem has been going on doesn't matter. Let's say that if Riot wasn't eating, sleeping, at school or doing homework then he was playing video games of some variety, and let's say that this concerned his Dad to the point that the two had more than a few heart-to-heart conversations about the matter, but the situation ultimately stayed the same. How does this excuse destroying expensive personal property and placing humiliating restrictions on an adult, restrictions that we already know will interfere with his social life, his schoolwork, and his emotional well-being in both the short-term and the long-term? Regardless of the context, regardless of what led up to that point, and regardless of whether they're father-son or one is putting up the other, you can't act like that to another human being.

^this times like I don't even know how many

Who's phone and computer and internet is it? Does riot own all of his stuff? If his dad owns those things and pays for it, its not riot's is it...

The property that was destroyed was riot's. He may not have purchased the phone himself, but it was a gift, and I'm sorry if you give something to someone as a gift it is no longer yours to throw lead at.

seems to me riotpolice has effectively ignored all of his parents' previous attempts to get him to play less games / spend more time doing 'productive' things like focusing on school

Riot is actually doing very well in school. Please do not assume otherwise.

[choof]

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regardless of how much riot has/hasn't done to egg his father on, a deadly weapon was discharged to make a point. this is utterly irrational.