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  • Mahou
    魔法少女
    • Jan 2006
    • 2153

    #76
    Re: Leaving FFR for a while

    Exactly. Which is why I don't really care. It's not like it's the end of the world...When he gets his things all situated, there is plenty of time for fiffer.
    Originally posted by lofty rhino
    one does not simply hate everyone that plays stepmania
    AND watch anime.

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    • korny
      It's Saint Pepsi bitch
      • May 2004
      • 4385

      #77
      Re: Leaving FFR for a while

      For the sake of discussion, it is good to communicate these things to make clear why some of the advice given in this thread, is absurd if we are to assume riots account of this is exactly as is. I never doubted for a moment that riots account could possibly be filtered.

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      • Cavernio
        sunshine and rainbows
        • Feb 2006
        • 1987

        #78
        Re: Leaving FFR for a while

        It doesn't matter that from the chat log I read that I got the impression that riotpolice seems childish and I now have an impression of him where I could see him missing out on opportunities in life because he's too focussed on video games. Doesn't matter at all.

        Dad shouldn't be trying to discipline a 20 year old, I don't care if his son lives with him or not. He's not 12, and to treat him like he is disturbing to me. There is no side to someone controlling someone else unless it's a reaction to being controlled. Like if riotpolice were threatening his dad with something if he couldn't live in the house, which I sincerely doubt has happened.
        Last edited by Cavernio; 06-7-2014, 01:44 PM.

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        • Pseudo Enigma
          ごめんなさい (/ω\)
          • Aug 2012
          • 2290

          #79
          Re: Leaving FFR for a while

          plz tell me you don't actually think parenting stops when your children become adults

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          • Mahou
            魔法少女
            • Jan 2006
            • 2153

            #80
            Re: Leaving FFR for a while

            That's not what he's saying.
            Originally posted by lofty rhino
            one does not simply hate everyone that plays stepmania
            AND watch anime.

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            • korny
              It's Saint Pepsi bitch
              • May 2004
              • 4385

              #81
              Re: Leaving FFR for a while

              Originally posted by Cavernio
              Dad shouldn't be trying to discipline a 20 year old, I don't care if his son lives with him or not. He's not 12, and to treat him like he is disturbing to me.
              No, dad should enforce the rules as he sees fit because it is his goddamn house and his age does not matter. You seem to keep thinking for some reason, that because he is 20 years old, he is immune to any sort of rule abiding.

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              • Reincarnate
                x'); DROP TABLE FFR;--
                • Nov 2010
                • 6332

                #82
                Re: Leaving FFR for a while

                What matters is that Riot needs to start putting plans into motion to move out.

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                • Mahou
                  魔法少女
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 2153

                  #83
                  Re: Leaving FFR for a while

                  Originally posted by Reincarnate
                  What matters is that Riot needs to start putting plans into motion to move out.
                  End of thread.
                  Originally posted by lofty rhino
                  one does not simply hate everyone that plays stepmania
                  AND watch anime.

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                  • Cavernio
                    sunshine and rainbows
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 1987

                    #84
                    Re: Leaving FFR for a while

                    Originally posted by Pseudo Enigma
                    plz tell me you don't actually think parenting stops when your children become adults
                    It does. Your love for your kids doesn't, and nor does your love for them, but that's hardly the same thing as having a parent-child relationship.

                    The moment my mom 'gave up' on me and treated me as an adult without trying to hone me, improved my relationship with her 100%.

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                    • Cavernio
                      sunshine and rainbows
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 1987

                      #85
                      Re: Leaving FFR for a while

                      Originally posted by korny
                      No, dad should enforce the rules as he sees fit because it is his goddamn house and his age does not matter. You seem to keep thinking for some reason, that because he is 20 years old, he is immune to any sort of rule abiding.
                      When your rules involve what -I- do, when it has no effect whatsoever on how -you- are, those rules are wholly unjustified. We're not talking about household chores.
                      Last edited by Cavernio; 06-7-2014, 02:04 PM.

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                      • Pseudo Enigma
                        ごめんなさい (/ω\)
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 2290

                        #86
                        Re: Leaving FFR for a while

                        My mom had been over protecting me my whole life. I had struggled with police and counsellors that told me "it's my mom's choice what to do with me, because I am relying on her for care." I rebelled and left, which forced her to accept that I'm not someone you can control like that.

                        point is that riot is probably going to have to take some sort of action if he wants to convince his dad that vidya gaems are alright. Which would probably mean moving out. Otherwise he's just gonna have to well...

                        deal with it.

                        This thread is seriously redundant though so I'm done here.

                        edit:
                        Originally posted by Mahou
                        That's not what he's saying.
                        probably not, I was just checking.
                        Originally posted by Cavernio
                        It does. Your love for your kids doesn't, and nor does your love for them, but that's hardly the same thing as having a parent-child relationship.

                        The moment my mom 'gave up' on me and treated me as an adult without trying to hone me, improved my relationship with her 100%.
                        wow just because your parents decided that doesn't mean it's universal.

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                        • Cavernio
                          sunshine and rainbows
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 1987

                          #87
                          Re: Leaving FFR for a while

                          Pretty sure freedom's supposed to be universal.

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                          • Mollocephalus
                            Custom User Title
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 2608

                            #88
                            Re: Leaving FFR for a while

                            What a shitty situation. I i agree with cavernio wholeheartedly. Do you really think the same kind of parenting applied when you're 10 can be applied to you when you're 20 - or more? You're completely missing out that parenting changes over time, and it should adapt to the person's age and level of maturity. Oppressive parents who keep telling you the way to do stuff forever are going to make you psychologically dependent, and ultimately helpless when you will finally be on your own. This kind of behavior is toxic and unacceptable in many ways, and shouldn't be justified.

                            I'm gonna leave a purposely extreme consideration here: maybe there should be an exam to test if you should have kids or not, cause i'm damn sure it would make everyone a favor if some people couldn't have offspring.

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                            • korny
                              It's Saint Pepsi bitch
                              • May 2004
                              • 4385

                              #89
                              Re: Leaving FFR for a while

                              Originally posted by Cavernio
                              When your rules involve what -I- do, when it has no effect whatsoever on how -you- are, those rules are wholly unjustified. We're not talking about household chores.
                              Why do you keep falling back to the rules being unjustified which we are already in agreement over, and continue to neglect that they are his the rules to freely enforce, justified or not.

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                              • devonin
                                Very Grave Indeed
                                Event Staff
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Apr 2004
                                • 10120

                                #90
                                Re: Leaving FFR for a while

                                Originally posted by Pseudo Enigma
                                plz tell me you don't actually think parenting stops when your children become adults
                                It should evolve into a relationship of equals, where you still grant your parents the respect due their age and experience, and the gratitude you owe them for raising you, but where they still engage with you as a fellow adult.

                                At that point, 'rules' should be discussed more as preferences and boundaries for the parents since it is their house (not wanting you to have loud parties or blast music at 2am, or having your girlfriend stay overnight when they're there, or not eating the last of the chips or whatever)

                                At the time I turned 18, my dad basically said to me "Welp, I've done all the raising of you I can. At this point, you either live a good life, or you don't, it's all up to you." and my rules largely vanished.

                                Due to being the last Ontarians to have OAC and also having a spring birthday, I was still in highschool until I was several months into 19, so I was living at home "as an adult" but not yet in university for quite some time, and believe me, if my dad had still tried to enforce a bed time, or how much time I spent on the computer -without- shooting anything with a gun, it would have been pretty horrible.

                                "You spend too much time on the computer" is a rule founded out of ignorance of the modern age. I have a full-time job, at which I spend almost all day on the computer, followed by coming home, where I spend most of my time on the computer.

                                It's where people work, where they play, where they hang out with their friends, where they meet their girlfriends and boyfriends. Given that he's also in school at the moment for a computer-related field, it's absolutely a -bad- rule even if he were 16/17/18. The fact that he's a grown-ass man just makes it worse.

                                The unemployment rate for the "Recent graduate" demographic when I was a recent graduate was as high as it was for everybody during the Depression. A lot of our generation's parents literally don't understand that "Just go get a job" is laughably close to impossible.

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