New Difficulty System Name Suggestions

[Frank Munoz]

Re: New Difficulty System Name Suggestions

A bit of background information. The new system is a 20 difficulty system with a 1-99 rating of each file that will set it in an order within its difficulty. (ex. 11s in the new system will be the 46-50 range)
The current 1-8's will be the new 1-10's. With the current 9+ difficulties filling the new 11+ area. Keeping in mind that the current ratio of 9:10:11:12's is 3:3:2:1, and that there will be better division of the upper tier files, so we're looking at high VCs and the lowest FMOs in the current system sitting in the FEO (difficulty 15) range, and the high FMOs and lowest FGOs sitting in the new FGO (difficulty 17) range.

I think it would be helpful if you made just a small list of the songs that will be in some of the new difficulties so everyone can better understand how to name them. Just like... the highest and lowest songs. ex:
20: VROFL
19: Death Piano, Rave 7
18: Crowdpleaser, Time to Eye
17: Frictional Nevada, Club
etc~
I'm sure my list isn't accurate at all but, it would be very appreciable if someone -coughnoisorecough- could make one.

[nois-or-e]

Re: New Difficulty System Name Suggestions

My updated suggestions. Thoughts?

01- Training
02- Easiest
03- Beginner
04- Very Easy
05- Easy
06- Light
07- Moderate
08-Standard
09- Tricky
10- Very Tricky
---
11- Difficult
12- Very Difficult
13- Challenging
14- Very Challenging
15- Expert
16- Master
17- Guru
18-Brutal
19- Ridiculous
20- ???


- A lot of people are against the 'For _____ Only' titles as they seem a bit discriminative/uncouth, so this eliminates that.
- Also eliminates the 'Heavy' tag, as it seems a bit ambiguous in regards to the difficulties above it.
- A few haters on the 'Very' qualifier. To me it shows a gradual progression between the current difficulty and the one above it. As mentioned, coming up with 20 suitable descriptors without using words that have exactly the same meaning is harder than it looks.
- I am almost 100% certain that 20 will remain as ???, the only file in that difficulty is vRofl. And the ??? (as comically discussed with bmah moments ago) is a sort of throw-back to the old DDR charts where the bpm was a flashing/changing ??? to denote something crazy.

[megamon88]

Re: New Difficulty System Name Suggestions

I still don't think Light and Standard are good difficulties, simply because (as previously mentioned) there are songs with the [Light] and [Standard] tags. If we eventually get rid of them though and just make them v2 or something, then I'm fine with them as difficulties.

[i love you]

Re: New Difficulty System Name Suggestions

01- Noob
02- Tard
03- Nig
04- Simple
05- Meh
06- Still Meh
07- Light
08- Not so Light
09- Normal
10- Not so Normal
---
11- Alright
12- Not so Alright
13- Kinda Hard
14- Hard
15- I'm Hard
16- Boner
17- Sex
18- Hardcore Sex
19- AIDS
20- R.I.P

Also, I like your list nois-or-e :3

[igotrhythm]

Re: New Difficulty System Name Suggestions

Heh. Some NVLM charts on SM do this with the bpm as well (like Death Moon). To be fair, the spikes are positively nuts...I actually went and tried the light chart for that on an xmod, and it was lulzy. It's in the sm scores thread somewhere.

To those hating on the Heavy and Oni tags, it's a reference to the challenge difficulty of DDR charts being called that, as well as the term used for challenge mode courses. Oni is a Japanese term that's variously translated as ogre, demon or monster, and those tags are still going to stay in the widget file titles...we also have Light and Standard tags for stuff like Ding Dong Song. stay true to ya roots~

That list looks good to me, Jae.

[andy-o24]

Re: New Difficulty System Name Suggestions

01- Easiest
02- Beginner
03- Very Easy
04- Plain
05- Light
06- Moderate
07- Standard
08- Tricky
09- Very Tricky
10- Heavy
---
11- Challenging
12- Very Challenging
13- Demanding
14- Very Demanding
15- For Experts only
16- For Masters only
17- For Gurus only
18- For Stepmen only
19- Ridiculous
20- Insane


Twenty will be hard to get used to. These (4 and 20) should fix the abbreviation issue. Best of luck.

-o24

[blindreper1179]

Re: New Difficulty System Name Suggestions

20: Good luck

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Re: New Difficulty System Name Suggestions

My updated suggestions. Thoughts?

01- Training
02- Easiest
03- Beginner
04- Very Easy
05- Easy
06- Light
07- Moderate
08-Standard
09- Tricky
10- Very Tricky
---
11- Difficult
12- Very Difficult
13- Challenging
14- Very Challenging
15- Expert
16- Master
17- Guru
18-Brutal
19- Ridiculous
20- ???

I've seen this in some other suggested name lists, but I think that "Brutal" and "Ridiculous" should be switched, in my opinion brutal sounds like harder difficulty compared to ridiculous.

[who_cares973]

Re: New Difficulty System Name Suggestions

01- untouched
02- never played
03- for penis play
04- yawn
05- snore
06- ugh
07- boring
08- sightread
09- first try
10- still boring
---
11- could be fun if drunk
12- a little fun
13- fun
14- good
15- better
16- rage inducing
17- really fun
18- thisisalliplayever
19- ew
20- GAY

[megamon88]

Re: New Difficulty System Name Suggestions

To those hating on the Heavy and Oni tags, it's a reference to the challenge difficulty of DDR charts being called that, as well as the term used for challenge mode courses. Oni is a Japanese term that's variously translated as ogre, demon or monster, and those tags are still going to stay in the widget file titles...we also have Light and Standard tags for stuff like Ding Dong Song. stay true to ya roots~

I know, and that's the problem. If we have both [Light] and [Standard] tags as well as Light and Standard difficulties, people are going to be confused as to which one is which. Ding Dong Song [Standard] might not actually be Standard difficulty (unless we get lucky), and similarly other songs are going to have differing tags and difficulties.

[rayword45]

Re: New Difficulty System Name Suggestions

17 - Brutal
18 - Ultra Hardcore
19 - Up to eleven
20 - Suck my balls and stop playing the damn game already

[TheSaxRunner05]

Re: New Difficulty System Name Suggestions


01- Training
02- Easiest
03- Beginner
04- Very Easy
05- Easy
06- Light
07- Moderate
08-Standard
09- Tricky
10- Very Tricky
---
11- Difficult
12- Very Difficult
13- Challenging
14- Very Challenging
15- Expert
16- Master
17- Guru
18-Monumental
19- Legendary
20- ???

18 and 19 suggestions

[Evascythe]

Re: New Difficulty System Name Suggestions

My updated suggestions. Thoughts?

01- Training
02- Easiest
03- Beginner
04- Very Easy
05- Easy
06- Light
07- Moderate
08-Standard
09- Tricky
10- Very Tricky
---
11- Difficult
12- Very Difficult
13- Challenging
14- Very Challenging
15- Expert
16- Master
17- Guru
18-Brutal
19- Ridiculous
20- ???


- A lot of people are against the 'For _____ Only' titles as they seem a bit discriminative/uncouth, so this eliminates that.
- Also eliminates the 'Heavy' tag, as it seems a bit ambiguous in regards to the difficulties above it.
- A few haters on the 'Very' qualifier. To me it shows a gradual progression between the current difficulty and the one above it. As mentioned, coming up with 20 suitable descriptors without using words that have exactly the same meaning is harder than it looks.
- I am almost 100% certain that 20 will remain as ???, the only file in that difficulty is vRofl. And the ??? (as comically discussed with bmah moments ago) is a sort of throw-back to the old DDR charts where the bpm was a flashing/changing ??? to denote something crazy.

I like that list. Maybe switch around brutal and ridiculous like someone else said, though.

[Silvuh]

Re: New Difficulty System Name Suggestions

My updated suggestions. Thoughts?
[List]

Going to say this again:

Don't want to have too many words with a very strong "Easy" connotation which might discourage new players if they're stuck on "Easy" difficulties for too long.

Your new suggestions have "Light" (which I disapprove the use of, anyway) at "6", which is where "Standard" is around now. And current "Tricky" files would be around 6 to 7 on the new scale, but your new suggestions say files don't get tricky until "9", which current low "Very Difficult" files fit into. That's really kicking newer players down a few notches.

"Difficult" and "Challenging" should stay on opposite sides of the median for this reason, too.

Another thing: I don't think "Easiest" should be any difficulty other than 1. Because, you know, it should be the easiest difficulty.

You may want to put something like this in the top post so people will see it right away:

01- Easiest
02- For Beginners
03- Very Easy
04- Easy
05- Standard
06- Standard / Tricky
07- Tricky
08- Difficult
09- Difficult / Very Difficult
10- Very Difficult
---
11- Challenging
12- Challenging
13- Challening / Very Challenging
14- Very Challenging
15- Very Challenging / FMO
16- FMO
17- FMO / FGO
18- FGO
19- FGO / 13
20- vrofl

I'm still standing behind my suggestion to avoid using the words "Easy", "Light" and "Standard" and such. With what i love you posted a while ago, I think "Expert" can be stuck back in to get rid of "Brutal": (And now everything but EMG is different)

01- Easiest
02- Novice
03- Basic
04- Fair
05- Lenient
06- Moderate
07- Tricky
08- Very Tricky
09- Difficult
10- Very Difficult
---
11- Challenging
12- Very Challenging
13- Intense
14- Very Intense
15- Expert
16- Master
17- Guru
18- Legend
19- Divine
20- __

If we're going to keep terms like "Master" and "Guru", "Legend" and "Divine" are good words to use past them to stay in the same theme.

Wanted to repost this, too:

Although, what you guys should have done first was determine if majority of the community would prefer not having certain names as difficulties (Example: "Very ____" names or "For ____ Only" names etc). It is far more effective to take things step by step by first seeing what the community wants/does not want before having them actually start naming difficulty names.

Would be good to have polls on some of these topics. Maybe use one of those polling websites and embed the polls into the top post instead of having a "Choose one option in each section" poll on the the thread.

Right now, what I'm wondering about the most is "Words that describe the ability or rank of the player" versus "Words that describe the difficulty of the file" for the difficulties on the harder side of the median.

I would be all for a system that avoids titles like "Master" and "Guru" if we can come to an agreement on what's appropriate ... How extreme can we allow "Difficulty" words to be? I'm fine with the words becoming violent, because that's what those hard files are to me. Making a difficulty-19 file is just ... sadistic.

So here are most of the "Difficulty" words that have been suggested before (which split neatly into "Violent" and "Crazy" categories):

Brutal
Painful
Exacting
Punishing
Onerous
Straining
Vicious

Extreme
Crazy
Insane
Ridiculous
Outrageous
Ludicrous

For consistency, words from only one list or the other should be used.

Making sure to avoid repeating initial letters with the rest of my list, here's my "Violent" suggestion for difficulties 15 through 19:

15- Onerous / Oppresive
16- Painful / Punishing
17- Vicious
18- Ruthless
19- Sadistic

I already used I, L, M, F, and C, so there are a lot of good crazy words I can't use here, but this what I came up with for the "Crazy" scale:

15- Wild
16- Absurd
17- Outrageous
18- Ridiculous
19- Psychotic

I don't like "Wild" that much, but I couldn't find another good word. Insane, Lunatic, Ludicrous, Maniacal, Mental, Frantic, Crazy, Demented ... all repeated letters.

[reptile3141]

Re: New Difficulty System Name Suggestions

01- FNO(For Noobs Only)
02- Easiest
03- Very Easy
04- Easy
05- Basic
06- Moderate
07- Standard
08- Tricky
09- Very Tricky
10- Heavy
---
11- Challenging
12- Very Challenging
13- Demanding
14- Very Demanding
15-Expert
16- For Masters only
17- For Gurus only
18- For Stepmen only
19- MAX
20- OMGWTFH4X