Quit making alts, ppl!

[TC_Halogen]

Re: Quit making alts, ppl!

Improving ranks isn't a personal accomplishment? Competition through ranks is what drives me the most to get better. It's just unfair to see worse results than deserved because half of FFR decided to make an alt and sup whatever score I got.

Maybe I'm being a little unclear with what I'm trying to get across (and I'm not trying to be rude or anything when I say that, so please don't take it that way).

Let me put it in this way -- while ranks do have a purpose in comparing skill between one another within a group, chances are, you'll be comparing yourselves within a group of people closer to your skill level. That is to say, you and everyone else will be affected in the same manner, but the interval between your smaller group won't be affected. If your rank on a song is x and your friends are x-1, x-2, x-3, and an alternate account scores above you, your ranks change in number, but not in interval.

I do agree with bmah in the fact that alternate accounts do rain on ranks, but there's really nothing to be done about it because while one person may be using multiple accounts on the same IP address, there are situations where multiple people are playing on the same IP address.

[Oni-Paranoia]

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Everything that is being discussed in this thread requires some sort of work. Watching Alt accounts to make sure they don't clog the ranks is the easiest of the work by a long shot. So unless you can re-code the entire username situation, I don't see why there should be any complaining.

I still stand at the fact that re-coding should be done regardless.

[dore]

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There used to be a list of alt-accounts where you could tell Tass that you had [altnamehere] and he could delete the ranks for that alt. I know I used alts a lot when I played lots of multiplayer because I would generally do more chatting and whatnot than actual playing when I logged in as dore. When I logged in under a different name, there was no name recognition so I could just play. Yeah, I had to beat some lower-level players to work up my MP level which isn't the best situation, but it made my higher-level playing more enjoyable. (Not to say I didn't enjoy chatting, it was just easier to have separate accounts.)

[Phlegmatism]

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oh my god, +1 if this is even remotely possible

Yeah and merge my scores and posts (probably impossible)

[rushyrulz]

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Let me put it in this way -- while ranks do have a purpose in comparing skill between one another within a group, chances are, you'll be comparing yourselves within a group of people closer to your skill level. That is to say, you and everyone else will be affected in the same manner, but the interval between your smaller group won't be affected. If your rank on a song is x and your friends are x-1, x-2, x-3, and an alternate account scores above you, your ranks change in number, but not in interval.

This is true, but the rewards of getting better are countered when alts get superior scores to your group's, making the value of that group weaker by pushing the ranks up until a BF on a FGO is greater than rank 50 (oh wait, we're there already).

Anyone wanna guess what the rank for a booflag on CIA Rave is? Hint: It's over 500. Score inflation on some songs is just terrrible.

[NixXSkate]

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i don't see the big problem here...

[kmay]

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i don't see the big problem here...

play the game some more and you might.

[Shikari]

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My alt is for pettanko/semi-pettanko scores, my other two accounts are old ones. There's nothing wrong about alts.

[nois-or-e]

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There used to be a list of alt-accounts where you could tell Tass that you had [altnamehere] and he could delete the ranks for that alt. I know I used alts a lot when I played lots of multiplayer because I would generally do more chatting and whatnot than actual playing when I logged in as dore. When I logged in under a different name, there was no name recognition so I could just play. Yeah, I had to beat some lower-level players to work up my MP level which isn't the best situation, but it made my higher-level playing more enjoyable. (Not to say I didn't enjoy chatting, it was just easier to have separate accounts.)

I do this from time to time cos the red text can be a bit off-putting for some people in mp x:

[devonin]

Re: Quit making alts, ppl!

I think it's ridiculous to suggest that any of the coders should spend the -huge- amount of time it would take to make it so username changes were possible. Without those changes, no amount of limiting the number, or charging credits or whatever is going to make it worthwhile to offer username changes.

It would be faster and easier to actually just have you make a new account and manually add in all of the scores, tokens, postcount, credits etc etc from the old account (And before you ask, no, 100% absolutely not)

As for alts. There's no way to "stop" people making alts and then playing FFR on those alts, and I'm not entirely sure we -should- be trying to stop it. There's no fix for that problem that I can think of that can't be a) ignored/worked around by people who want to or b) doesn't potentially screw over people who share a computer/house/university computer lab.

The presence of alts of highly-skilled players on the ranklists only effects a few hundred players on about 150 songs. Every AAA is rank 1, no matter how many there are. Any non-AAA score is still a very low rank in terms of its absolute effect on your avrank, and everyone suffers equally from extra AAAs pushing the rank on a non-AAA down. The only people impacted by alts in a way that is actually meaningful are the people who are close to, but not at AAA's on 11-13 songs that have many AAAs. And considering that the only way they -are- impacted by alts is to have alts with AAAs on the song over them, they are themselves the primary cause of their problems.

You want to stop having alts AAA'ing 12s to make your SDG be 2 whole ranks lower? Stop making alts and AAA'ing 12s then.

[remedy1502]

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I have an alt to see how many songs I can sightread AAA without messing up. Right now I'm at 56.

[championanwar]

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*people
just saying

[Fantasticone]

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Long ago, I could never actually get a MP game on this account, so I had some low level alts for that.

[rushyrulz]

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The only people impacted by alts in a way that is actually meaningful are the people who are close to, but not at AAA's on 11-13 songs that have many AAAs. And considering that the only way they -are- impacted by alts is to have alts with AAAs on the song over them, they are themselves the primary cause of their problems.

I was thinking the exact opposite. The people most affected are those without a ton of AAAs but they're trying to improve their ranks the best they can. If some alt goes and sups some of my scores, my avrank only increases by like .4 after all is said and done. Someone else who doesn't have over 700 AAAs is suffering the most because all the non-AAA ranks are just getting higher and higher (See: CIA Rave, Mercury Lamp).

@Remedy: It's not a sightread if you already played it 15 times on your remederp account.

[remedy1502]

Re: Quit making alts, ppl!

I was thinking the exact opposite. The people most affected are those without a ton of AAAs but they're trying to improve their ranks the best they can. If some alt goes and sups some of my scores, my avrank only increases by like .4 after all is said and done. Someone else who doesn't have over 700 AAAs is suffering the most because all the non-AAA ranks are just getting higher and higher (See: CIA Rave, Mercury Lamp).

@Remedy: It's not a sightread if you already played it 15 times on your remederp account.

Then we'll say it's for how many AAAs I can get in a row without messing up. Either way I'm practising consistency. It's easier to go through all the songs on an account with none of the counters ingame rather than on remederp where it's all AAAs already and I'm less inclined to play.

And really, the impact of alts isn't that huge. Well at least when ap went and blacklisted the accounts with bs scores, my avrank improved by a whopping .02. It really isn't that significant. I can't imagine there are much more alts than random botted scores. Think about it. 100 ranks lowered by alts is a whole 0.1168 added to your avrank. Big whoop. Especially when your avrank is ~16 (that's yours), it's fairly easy to improve your ranks by 100. And when you have a low avrank say around 2, most of the songs the alts are AAAing you'll already have AAA'd, and even if it isn't something you AAA'd already, it would be only a couple scores, affecting your avrank by a very very small amount.

tldr; alts really don't affect you that much