Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2

**Choofers** · 10-17-2011, 03:50 PM

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I'll send fixes in a little bit. I'm just glad y'all enjoyed the 32nd wall lmao.

**Coolboyrulez0** · 10-17-2011, 04:09 PM

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13/15
14/15

Could it be that rage-quitting stepping was a bad decision?
I'm quite happy at the moment to say the least, we'll see what the future holds for more files of mine.

**Reshiram** · 10-17-2011, 05:10 PM

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Everything got a 10/15...

Well, I guess that's gotta be a sign that I'm getting better, but still have work to do before I hit the big time.

**Rebirth0** · 10-17-2011, 08:24 PM

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Fleeting Fantasy: 8/15
Comments: You guys should obviously know this was meant to be an old school retard stream simfile to smash in as many points possible in the shortest time. If something like Vertex Beta got accepted then this is no different. Not going to change anything, because I just wanted to see what happened

Liberate: 15/15
Comments: best I could do with the repetitive song. I understand it would be better if it was cut but I'm not cutting it. If it was worth cutting, I would have cut it before sending it in. No matter though because its accepted

Try To Star: 13/15
Comments: lmao why is this 13/15 while Liberate is 15/15 this is infinitely better. This is more a simfile of my recent works. Even though I still made this two years ago.

Also, the gap issues were my fault. I added two seconds to two songs and didn't fix the gap. Forgot. Sorry, etc.

I will take a look at some of the things mentioned in the files but I'm not sure if I'm doing any fixing. Its possible. I typically get my point out with my first submission, and I usually don't like to change my files so you get what you get. But I'll take a look and we'll see

**hi19hi19** · 10-17-2011, 08:46 PM

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I'd bet strongly Vertex Beta wouldn't get in past today's judges.

Despite the fact it seems to be a lot of people's favorite song and file, and shows up in the most played daily list frequently. But it's not tEcHnIcAL so it would get slammed by the judges today, as you can see.

**MarioNintendo** · 10-17-2011, 08:58 PM

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Originally posted by hi19hi19

I'd bet strongly Vertex Beta wouldn't get in past today's judges.

Despite the fact it seems to be a lot of people's favorite song and file, and shows up in the most played daily list frequently. But it's not tEcHnIcAL so it would get slammed by the judges today, as you can see.

I often think about that myself. Would songs like RATO and Death Piano be accepted today? Or even that classic Excite Bike... Not so sure. What's ironic is that people play them a lot to this day.

I guess this has to do with our more modern take on stepping.

**bmah** · 10-17-2011, 09:05 PM

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Let's say that back then, Tass was the one who would make otherwise unaccepted files accepted.

**justin_ator** · 10-17-2011, 09:09 PM

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I miss files like those, they were the shiz.

**hi19hi19** · 10-17-2011, 09:12 PM

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But if people enjoy them so much today, is it right that they were unaccepted prior to Tass's intervention? Wouldn't the stats show that Tass was actually correct in that case?

Just a question of motive. Is FFR here to give files that are judged with the same eye as a piece of art, or do we want files that people find fun regardless of anything else?
Why are so few people determining what is fun for the millions of users this site has, especially if files that are commonly considered by the elite to be "bad" are the ones most played and frequently brought up as the most fun?
I've always felt the judging process was somewhat hypocritical in this way, one of the reasons I don't want to get involved with it.

**psychoangel691** · 10-17-2011, 09:13 PM

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There's already been a million debates on this before. I feel like judges are starting to get a little more lenient now than they were in the past though.

**justin_ator** · 10-17-2011, 09:15 PM

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Not really a bad thing, if you ask me. But what is a bad thing is when we start letting off-sync nonsensical files in. That would be a problem.

**Elite Ninja** · 10-17-2011, 09:19 PM

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I sent fixes for La Cereza Caliente just now.

I am allowed to send fixes for it since it got 13/15 right?

**hi19hi19** · 10-17-2011, 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by psychoangel691

There's already been a million debates on this before. I feel like judges are starting to get a little more lenient now than they were in the past though.

Yeah I know, I had this discussion a lot before with Tass over AIM and I know all the arguments and stuff.
I'll be honest I am rather happy with the current judge system, it feels a lot smoother than before certainly, and the incidence of "comments I completely disagree with" is far, far lower lol
I think a lot of this is owed to Jimerax being an amazing manager (#1 fan) but the judging is a little more sensible too. And I don't honestly see any alternative that's better so of course I'll tolerate the system as I have to- no point in complaining when I can't suggest anything better, really.

Nevertheless i find it's a good question to pose now and then. Exactly what are we judging and what is really the goal... it's worth thinking about to make sure everyone doesn't lose track of why the game is fun.

**bmah** · 10-17-2011, 09:35 PM

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Originally posted by hi19hi19

But if people enjoy them so much today, is it right that they were unaccepted prior to Tass's intervention? Wouldn't the stats show that Tass was actually correct in that case?

Well there are factors unrelated to the file that you must take into consideration. People like these files often because of nostalgia or remembering the "good old times of the FFR site" which is often irrelevant to the file itself. The file might be complete crap but people will love it because of the time period that song reminded them of.

Originally posted by hi19hi19

Just a question of motive. Is FFR here to give files that are judged with the same eye as a piece of art, or do we want files that people find fun regardless of anything else?
Why are so few people determining what is fun for the millions of users this site has, especially if files that are commonly considered by the elite to be "bad" are the ones most played and frequently brought up as the most fun?
I've always felt the judging process was somewhat hypocritical in this way, one of the reasons I don't want to get involved with it.

Once again, a bunch of factors. The judges have their own set of criteria...someone might be on the more technical side, while someone else might be a lot more lax and just focus on what's fun. I think just about every judge will take fun into consideration, but a judge might let an error slide while another might be more critical of it.

Most frequently played and most fun doesn't -always- go hand in hand. Consider the difficulty of the song, the unique aspect of that song (e.g. crowdpleaser trill = WHORE IT), the nostalgia factor once again, and the number of players who play FFR casually vs those who post on the forum and are more vocal about their personal likings (i.e. an "apparent" majority when really you're looking at a small sample of players on the site).

I mean, there are so many factors, that it's hard to even pinpoint a few general ones. Especially when you're trying to define "fun".

A generality I'd like to point out though is that those who speak out about their concerns are more likely to get the changes they wish. It's like voting. You don't vote, you don't really have a voice to speak out for. So overall, we tend to comply to those who post on the forums, get active in the community, and voice for the change.

**psychoangel691** · 10-17-2011, 10:10 PM

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Really there's no way to get a "perfect" judging system unfortunately. All we can do is try to get as close as possible. Everyone knows there are flaws and many ideas have been brought up, one of which I think JX is trying soon if I'm not mistaken.