Is it wrong to be racist?

[Vendetta21]

Re: Is it wrong to be racist?

I'm not sure if I shoud call myself a racist or not. I don't hate people because of their race, but behavior/culture/attitude.

For example: I don't honestly like peope from eastern europe, countrie like poland, latvia, russia etc because lots of them come to my country as bandits stealing the **** out us then they steal a truck or something and transport all the stolen goods to their home country and sells it for major profit. I honestly never have had the chance of knowing a single person from those countries that behave what is by our standards acceptable.

I used to live in a dorm with 3 rooms, and when I moved in there was a swedish girl, and a swedish-turkish guy living there. but ehen that girl moved out a latvian moved in, partying all night, stealing all the bandwidth on the internet. When he moved out a new latvian guy moved in, he was having his friends sleep there and use up all the hot water in the shower including stealing my shampoo. Even use the washing machine all the time, he even threw my wet laundry on the floor when he needed to use the machine.

I don't know if this is racism or not though.


Another example:

When I lived with my dad there was this house close by, always foreigners moved in there.

One day I was on my way to a soccer training about 10 years ago, suddenly 2 black dudes alot older than me started beating me up like only a minute after I left my house for NO REASON AT ALL. And their younger sister stole my bike...

Do I hate black people for that? No.

Do I always assume that people from that country find it hard to fit into our society and follow our rules when they come to this country ? Yes.


Hope I'm not offending anyone with this.

Quit trying to broaden the category you don't need to associate people with their country or the skin color you are completely capable of doing it on a case-by-case basis. Doing anything like that is turning humanity into a bunch of teams.

[MrRubix]

Re: Is it wrong to be racist?

"You're making some weird argument justifying some arcane definition of racism" <-- strawman argument. I'm not justifying an arcane form of racism. I am defining what has, at its roots, caused racism -- as well as the underlying truths and issues.

Nobody disagrees about what we mean by racism. Racism is the belief that one race is superior/inferior to another, at the most basic level of definition (genetics aside). It's definitely "wrong" to be racist in this way (because, not only is it "morally wrong" as a result of being offensive, where morality is a construct of social optima, but it's "statistically wrong" to judge the value of a set of variables before they are observed. It's also biologically false). The question arises when we look at distributions, where the trends DO emerge. It is wrong, statistically, to deny that these trends exist. Whenever we meet someone new, it's always a good idea to keep an open mind and not judge by race, to be sure.

The question is when it becomes "wrong" to take these trends into account, and when it becomes more "equitable," on the flipside, to take the trends into account in decisionmaking.

"The book is an irrelevant tangent to the basic point. You're acting like the guy who read one book that blew his mind and then wanted to start arguing based on it via Atlas Shrugged except in this case you've picked a good book."

No, I'm speaking as the guy who's probably read every book you've ever read in your entire life, multiplied ten times over. "Atlas Shrugged" being a ****ty book is probably the only reasonable thing you've said in this thread.

[Vendetta21]

Re: Is it wrong to be racist?

"You're making some weird argument justifying some arcane definition of racism" <-- strawman argument. I'm not justifying an arcane form of racism. I am defining what has, at its roots, caused racism -- as well as the underlying truths and issues.

Nobody disagrees about what we mean by racism. Racism is the belief that one race is superior/inferior to another, at the most basic level of definition (genetics aside). It's definitely "wrong" to be racist in this way (because, not only is it "morally wrong" as a result of being offensive, where morality is a construct of social optima, but it's "statistically wrong" to judge the value of a set of variables before they are observed. It's also biologically false). The question arises when we look at distributions, where the trends DO emerge. It is not wrong, statistically, to deny that these trends exist. Whenever we meet someone new, it's always a good idea to keep an open mind and not judge by race, to be sure.

The question is when it becomes "wrong" to take these trends into account, and when it becomes more "equitable," on the flipside, to take the trends into account in decisionmaking.

"The book is an irrelevant tangent to the basic point. You're acting like the guy who read one book that blew his mind and then wanted to start arguing based on it via Atlas Shrugged except in this case you've picked a good book."

No, I'm speaking as the guy who's probably read every book you've ever read in your entire life, multiplied ten times over. "Atlas Shrugged" being a ****ty book is probably the only reasonable thing you've said in this thread.

Yes because with macro-trending information you can understand all the complexities that go into someone's personality.

You should go into Macro Econ you seem to have just the attitude that they NEED right now.

[MrRubix]

Re: Is it wrong to be racist?

"You should go into Macro Econ you seem to have just the attitude that they NEED right now."

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[Vendetta21]

Re: Is it wrong to be racist?

Also ****in' LOL you think you've read all the books I have times ten. I'm an ADHD dumbass but I'm pretty sure that's not even ****ing close to the truth.

You must have a God complex from arguing with lethargic retards on Rhythm forums all the time where you inundate them with inane details and big words in spergtastic tangents.

[MrRubix]

Re: Is it wrong to be racist?

Yes because with macro-trending information you can understand all the complexities that go into someone's personality.

I feel like you have some sort of inability to read.

Do you understand statistics, like, at all?

[MrRubix]

Re: Is it wrong to be racist?

Also ****in' LOL you think you've read all the books I have times ten. I'm an ADHD dumbass but I'm pretty sure that's not even ****ing close to the truth.

You must have a God complex from arguing with lethargic retards on Rhythm forums all the time where you inundate them with inane details and big words in spergtastic tangents.

Uh, without a doubt, I know this to be true.

[Vendetta21]

Re: Is it wrong to be racist?

I feel like you have some sort of inability to read.

Do you understand statistics, like, at all?

Enough to know when they are and aren't worth caring about.

I'm not going to go into a bar and think about all the statistics I know about the qualities of everyone in the room but that's mainly because I'm not an elitist sociopath.

But I see that you're an armchair policy-maker so the only considerations for you are macro considerations so carry on.

[MrRubix]

Re: Is it wrong to be racist?

Enough to know when they are and aren't worth caring about.

I'm not going to go into a bar and think about all the statistics I know about the qualities of everyone in the room but that's mainly because I'm not an elitist sociopath.

But I see that you're an armchair policy-maker so the only considerations for you are macro considerations so carry on.

Alright, then answer your own question, which I've posted already: When is it okay to take the trends into account? When is it not?

If you ignore macro trends then you have a very poor handling of statistics.

[Vendetta21]

Re: Is it wrong to be racist?

Alright, then answer your own question, which I've posted already: When is it okay to take the trends into account? When is it not?

If you ignore macro trends then you have a very poor handling of statistics.

When you're considering macro things? God you have such a ****ing axiomatic parametric view of the world. You keep fitting those lines to those scatter plots buddy.

[MrRubix]

Re: Is it wrong to be racist?

As a top-grade quad major from the best business school in the world, I don't have to. I actually know how to apply analysis to the real world.

I'm not a naive sucker like you who thinks that we can handwave macro trends and pretend that the variance melts down in smaller subsets. That's just complete retardation.


I also showed your arguments to a friend of mine who is doing her dissertation on this stuff -- she's a Harvard/Penn graduate, btw -- and she, too, says you are full of it. Exactly the kind of thinking that perpetuates ignorance and general stupidity regarding racism. You absolutely cannot solve the problem with arguments like yours.

[Vendetta21]

Re: Is it wrong to be racist?

as a top-grade quad major from the best business school in the world, i don't have to. I actually know how to apply analysis to the real world.

I'm not a naive sucker like you who thinks that we can handwave macro trends and pretend that the variance melts down in smaller subsets. That's just complete retardation.


I also showed your arguments to a friend of mine who is doing her dissertation on this stuff -- she's a harvard/penn graduate, btw -- and she, too, says you are full of it. Exactly the kind of thinking that perpetuates ignorance and general stupidity regarding racism. You absolutely cannot solve the problem with arguments like yours.

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[Vendetta21]

Re: Is it wrong to be racist?

*chortles and wipes a tear*

Today. Today has been a good day.

[MrRubix]

Re: Is it wrong to be racist?

Yeah, laugh because you have nothing of substance to refute with

You're way of of your league son

[Vendetta21]

Re: Is it wrong to be racist?

Yeah, laugh because you have nothing of substance to refute with

You're way of of your league son

Kind've like you're argument was a non-sequitor argument from authority?

Oh here let me respond with a stock rebuttal:

http://lesswrong.com/lw/1lo/high_status_and_stupidity_why/