If Hillary Clinton gets elected...

[rzr]

Will America become a matriarchal society? Thoughts on this would be appreciated, this is just my theory, take no notice if you don't agree.

[bluguerrilla]

Re: If Hillary Clinton gets elected...

No it won't.

Proof: Hyenas.

Edit: Oh...CT...

No, I don't think a woman president will instantly change the role of women in our society. It seems like a far-fetched notion because there is a difference between a society being matriarchal and having female leaders.

I mean, Iran is run by men but it's a matriarchal society.

[Bynary Fission]

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I do not necessarily believe that. American society has been patriarchal as a whole since we moved here, and this was brought over by the people from Europe/Britain who migrated here many, many years ago. Their cultures still live within us today, even if we aren't all pious and religious, and part of that is that the male typically dominates.

Now it is true that many matriarchal societies from the past were dominated by men, but that was a historical trend in that women had ruled for many years before that. America is historically a patriarchal society, and while a female leader may inspire women to take roles of power, it doesn't imply that America could radically shift from patriarchism to matriarchism. Women have been fighting for equal/feminine rule for over 100 years since the beginnings of the feminist movements, it won't suddenly change now.

Hillary Clinton is not an overlord. She can't force all of America into becoming dominated by women, even if she can appoint more female leaders then male based on gender. But that is blatant sexism that could destroy her potential to be re-elected if profound enough. America's traditions are habit, and habits ingrained into society as a whole take a very long time to undo.


~Bynary fission

[devonin]

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And far more to the point, if history has shown us anything it is that -most- women (not all, I point to Indira Gandhi primarily as a counterexample) who become state leaders do so by emulating men as much as they can. Thatcher is a good case example of this, and I don't think Clinton is any different.

She has the political ruthlessness, ambition and drive that we more commonly associate with men, and she's generally just assumed she would get the female vote, and done very little to cater to it. That's just smart though since most women -would- vote for her simply because she was a woman so she needs to spend her time convincing men to vote for her even though she's a woman.

In order to have a matriarchal society that is actually matriarchal, you need to have women in a majority if not monopoly of positions of authority. A woman president is nothing without a predominantly female senate, house, and supreme court. None of those institutions are even remotely representative of a female majority let alone female domination, so even if we assumed that Clinton would try to move things in that direction, she would just fail miserably.

As a moderation note: rzr "if A happened would B happen?" isn't something that can be "your theory" unless you explain -why- you think B would happen, and what might lead to it. You need to actually describe your own position before you can ask people to respond to it.

[xinpig]

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i think if she got elected it would be somewhat of a turning point in our history.

[devonin]

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Please to explain -why- we believe what we believe when we post in Critical Thinking.

Why a turning point? Turning to what that is new? Is this a good thing or bad thing to you?

[MyRoseTearsBlood]

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Am I the only person who thinks that Xinpig has the posting knowledge of an 8 year old?

[funmonkey54]

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Am I the only person who thinks that Xinpig has the posting knowledge of an 8 year old?

no.

In answer to the subject at hand:


My personal thoughts on the subject would have to be no. Our society as a whole has been a patriarch since we were founded. While our president would be female, most of the government is most certainly not. It would maintain the status of a patriarch.

I do, however, believe that should she become our president, the perception of how women do in a government position will be swayed greatly. Condoleezza Rice is a good example of my point here. She gained government position and was very popular. Her decisions were almost always widely supported. If Clinton does well in office it will help gain respect towards women in office. If she does poorly, It may effect this viewpoint in a negative way and do a lot of damage.

[FlavorMe]

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In order to have a matriarchal society that is actually matriarchal, you need to have women in a majority if not monopoly of positions of authority. A woman president is nothing without a predominantly female senate, house, and supreme court. None of those institutions are even remotely representative of a female majority let alone female domination, so even if we assumed that Clinton would try to move things in that direction, she would just fail miserably.

I think that your statement is true in the short term. Although Hillary's website states that she is a "champion for women's rights", politicians are notorious of not accomplishing what they proposed to do when they come to office. I don't see Clinton doing anything drastic that would alienate the male voters.

However, in the long term, Clinton could potentially bring around a shift to women and American politics in general if she is elected president. It is possible that more and more females would be interested in politics in general if Clinton was elected.

You can argue that she is not a person who can motivate others, and I'm sure there will be some who say that the only reason she has managed to get this far is because of her name. Nevertheless, the first woman coming into the presidency would still likely inspire a lot of other females who might find themselves in public office someday.

However, this is only assuming that Clinton would have a successful presidency. A poor showing by Hillary in office could mean that a lot of women become turned off by politics as well.

[jewpinthethird]

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Even though there is a vagina underneath those pants of her's, Clinton is still a politician, and politicians are asexual beings in the eyes of the public so long as they keep their junk in their pants (eyeroll).

Maybe it's just me, but until this thread, I never once thought about the sex lives of our elected leaders outside the context of the Clinton scandal.

But in all seriousness, until either women have the ability to open their own jars without whining about breaking their fingernails, or staple foodstuffs cease to be bottled in jars, men will always be in-charge of this country (ps. I'm only kind of being serious, I know a few girls who are quite capable of opening their own jars, but I suspect that might be because they are lesbians).

[lord_carbo]

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And far more to the point, if history has shown us anything it is that -most- women (not all, I point to Indira Gandhi primarily as a counterexample) who become state leaders do so by emulating men as much as they can. Thatcher is a good case example of this, and I don't think Clinton is any different.

More specifically, by emulating their husbands:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/opinion/05howley.html

[dawg4321]

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Even though there is a vagina underneath those pants of her's, Clinton is still a politician, and politicians are asexual beings in the eyes of the public so long as they keep their junk in their pants (eyeroll).

Maybe it's just me, but until this thread, I never once thought about the sex lives of our elected leaders outside the context of the Clinton scandal.

But in all seriousness, until either women have the ability to open their own jars without whining about breaking their fingernails, or staple foodstuffs cease to be bottled in jars, men will always be in-charge of this country (ps. I'm only kind of being serious, I know a few girls who are quite capable of opening their own jars, but I suspect that might be because they are lesbians).

haha what?? how is any of that being serious. why can't women open jars?

[Shadowcliff]

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[Izzy]

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I think america is ready for a female president. I just dont think america is ready for hillary clinton. Even if she ends up being a good president people will be more paranoid about the fact thats shes hillary clinton then worrying about things that matter.

[rzr]

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If Clinton is elected she will single-handedly destroy the women's political movements achievements. The thing is, no matter who becomes the president next, Bush has run us so far into the ground they president will come off as just as stupid, simply because they can't fix his problems in the 4 years they'll have. I say 4 years because if my theory is correct America won't reelect the next president.

So if Clinton is elected, and my theory is correct, she'll look like an idiot trying to fix her predecessors mistakes and knowing ve public they would view it as "Well, we let women in office and this is what happened. Let's not do that again."