GPA's accuracy reflecting intelligence.

[Bynary Fission]

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I hope so, because right now I'm pissed off....I am new here, at least cut me a little slack. I never knew anybody wanted sources, nor did I know that it was a joke site. And considering how confrontational and aggressive you've been to me in several threads, I have plenty of reason to believe it was just to mock me. However, I thank you for apologizing...




~Bynary Fission

[Rubin0]

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To be honest I thought he was taking a stab at me Bynary. Nobody was trying to hurt you. People on this site are really blunt and can come across as rude to new people. In fact...a lot of people are blatantly rude...but they don't really mean it in a malicious way. It is just the tone of this board in general. You'll see what I mean. No biggie.

[devonin]

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I'll point out that the directive to be able to source your statements any time someone wants you to is pretty well spelled out in the sticky detailing the rules for the CT forum. But since everyone knows that new users never read stickies, this -was- us cutting you slack *grin*

[Bynary Fission]

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@Rubin: Thanks for your kind words. I came here expecting some harshness. But some people here were just plain mean. I will try to be more careful though. I will admit, I did learn the hard way.

@Devonin: I DID read the stickies. Don't generalize me, just saying I'm 'another newb" please. I am more than willing to back up a statement I make. And I will say this because nobody realizes it: Some statements I make that come off as fact are opinions, just said the wrong way.



~Bynary Fission

[devonin]

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@Devonin: I DID read the stickies. Don't generalize me, just saying I'm 'another newb" please.

The sticky says "You have to back up all your statements" and you said "I never knew anybody wanted sources" so I apologise if I drew what appeared to me to be the obvious connection between the stereotype that new members to a forum tend to not read stickies, and the appearance that you didn't read the stickies.

[Bynary Fission]

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I honestly did, regardless of who believes me. Problem is, I don't have that good of a memory, so I tend to forget what I read....

[tsugomaru]

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It still doesn't excuse you from your actions. Another person requested your sources and you failed to deliver. By the way, everyone wants sources, just remember that. Whenever you are presenting your information, people do want to know whether or not you made it up or are genuinely taking it from another source. When you get into high school and college, when you write papers, you will always have to cite your sources.

~Tsugomaru

[Bynary Fission]

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I never said it did. I did, and it turns out the site wasn't reliable. So sue me. I am attempting to give sources if so asked, give me credit for that at least. Sheesh. And in the other thread on homosexuality, I gave plenty of them.

[tsugomaru]

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But you did try to argue against it. I know you gave it in the end, I'm reading the thread.

~Tsugomaru

[ieatyourlvllol]

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To turn the thread back towards the originally intended discussion, I'll add:

The key phrase is 'indirect correlation.' GPA is roughly as reliable as, say, standardized test scores, when it comes to trying to objectively measure what is obviously a subjective set of aptitudes.

For example, if some lazy intellectual daydreams during every class, while a diligent student pays attention and studies, and both claim a 4.0, how can one distinguish, from the numbers alone, which is smarter (although you could argue that the intellectual is foolish for spending time in such a manner)?

Yes, someone could say, "Oh, the intellectual, without a doubt, since he/she puts forth very little effort and still manages to achieve the same grades." Indeed, it is this observation, -not- the GPA or any other quantity, upon which the assignment of "intelligence" is based.

Even then, it is possible that a person is simply incompatible with the education system, or that perhaps the system, itself, does not accurately reflect anything other than the results of what is merely an input/output relationship.

There are so many discrepancies when it comes to evaluating intelligence that it can best be given by separate aspects (as has already been implied). A individual's intelligence, then, is defined by only the person assessing it, and therefore applies to that person only. Many, however, use the same metrics, and thus share similar opinions. At this point, though, psychological standpoints must be considered, but that's an entirely different story.

tl;dr - GPA represents the acquisition of grades, which in turn may or may not be associated with a corresponding level of intelligence.

[afronova1127]

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In my opinion, GPA does not necessarily convey ones intelligence. I have like a 95 average and i have no common sense and im extremely gullible, people tend to judge my intelligence based on that and they tend to think im dumb as a stump.

[xion6432]

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Finally (yes I know I've come in fairly late on this, and many things for that fact) people who agree on me. Yay I can fit in...

I have been trying to convey the simple fact that intelligence is much different than what it is commonly compaired to. I consider myself smart yes, but I make horrificly bad grades. My GPA is 2.102 or around that. Which personally I think is funny because I'm more intelligent than everyone I know.

I have a deep profound way of thinking, but I have a big problem... I'm schizophrenic. In other words, I don't have much control over my thought patern. I can understand things, and process things much quicker than most people. But I sadly enough have no control over it. To put it in a very simple way. I'm lost to my own mind.

For my GPA though... oh my GPA. I miss school a lot and get behind on schoolwork. It gets turned in late and I fail the class. Does that mean I'm not intellegent. I would like to think not.

I've been contemplating on a school system that ist based on intellegence. I've been working on it on and off for the past year, but I don't have anything substantial yet. I'm hoping to create something that has less schoolwork on preferably no grading system whatsoever. I've always like the idea of Communism (not so much Marxism.)
A society where people are equal. A school system where children aren't put above others. That poses promblems though. There a children who are smarter than others. They will hopefully move on to other courses earlier; which I have done in school. Test are also a false interpretation of intellect. If you don't study most of the time you fail. And I've noticed studying helps you memerize trivial knowledge, not things that make you intellegence. If only I could get rid of the idea that school is based on itellegence, and focus on the students instead. I would love to see my idea blossom into reality by the time I have children, but the reality that would ever happen is slim to none. I won't stop work until its complete...

I hope I didn't confuse anyone with my horrible writting. As I said I have schizophrenia, so I problems with my thought process.

[slipstrike0159]

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Haha! GPA is useless when you use it the way everyone thinks you are supposed to. The education system (or at least the one in the US) really is only set up to teach you how to learn not necessarily to teach you, if that makes sense. Think about it, you get your grades and GPA from doing well on an assignment or test that utilizes information you will hardly ever even think about again. If anything it is like i said a long time ago which is that it teaches you how to deal with people (or more specifically your superiors) so that you can gain a discipline to function in the working world.
I was actually talking about it with my friend earlier today and even though a standardized IQ test is fairly decent for testing intelligence, it is very inaccurate on many levels. What would be ideal is to come up with a standardized IQ test with different sections dedicated to different types of intelligence and then the score would be accumulated although you can still see how well you did on each section (much like the ACT for those who know what that is).

[Reach]

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What would be ideal is to come up with a standardized IQ test with different sections dedicated to different types of intelligence and then the score would be accumulated although you can still see how well you did on each section (much like the ACT for those who know what that is).

Uh, the WAIS/WISC already does this, with 14 intelligence subsets, and is one of the most commonly used intelligence tests in the US and the world (it can be administered to anyone fluent in English).

However, it makes a clear distinction between 'intelligences' and 'skills'. For example, you often hear people talk about 'emotional intelligence', but most people in the field agree this is not an intelligence, but a learned skill. Thus the goal is to minimize culture saturated items that you purposely learn and concentrate on g loaded items that are resistant to study.

This seems to be accomplished, since the test is incredibly resistant to study. There have been a few studies conducted where after long periods of training, small gains on the test were made (as many as 10-15 points with rigorous training). However, the gains disappeared quickly when study ceased, suggesting they were gains because of test taking strategy and not intelligence.

Which becomes a small problem, since it means the test *is* still somewhat sensitive to test taking strategies. That will never go away though, given that it is a written test in the first place and thus only a 'snapshot' of your intelligence, unless methods of measuring intelligence directly via things like brain scans can be accomplished.

[Laharl]

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GPA = work ethic = all that really matters, anyway.

Being super smart doesn't mean a damn thing if you never accomplish anything. I'm living proof.