GPA's accuracy reflecting intelligence.

[lord_carbo]

Re: GPA's accuracy reflecting intelligence.

wow, how stupid can you be, seriously, the topic is if GPA accurately shows if someone is intelligent, the answer is absolutely NO! If you take a 3.5 liberal art major, whos major is not even hard, and compare it to ANY damn engineer major with a 2.8 for instance, who says that the 3.5 gpa person is smarter, NO, because obviously engineering is a way more difficult major, yea yea there is exceptions, but please this topic is so easy to understand, that this thread should be locked

If GPA is not reflective of intelligence, then what's to say that the liberal arts major isn't a freaking genius whose "real GPA" is an astounding 4.5 while the engineer's "real GPA" is 1.0? There is no empirical basis for judging intelligence by career as is GPA similarly.

[rade0110]

Re: GPA's accuracy reflecting intelligence.

wow, how stupid can you be, seriously, the topic is if GPA accurately shows if someone is intelligent, the answer is absolutely NO! If you take a 3.5 liberal art major, whos major is not even hard, and compare it to ANY damn engineer major with a 2.8 for instance, who says that the 3.5 gpa person is smarter, NO, because obviously engineering is a way more difficult major, yea yea there is exceptions, but please this topic is so easy to understand, that this thread should be locked

That is what we have been saying is a totally biased opinion and you have absolutely no grounds in saying that. Now, if you were to give adequate proof on this, I'm sure many of us would really love to see it. Otherwise your claim is completely null.

[devonin]

Re: GPA's accuracy reflecting intelligence.

yea yea there is exceptions

The exceptions are what turn a mildly prejudicial and ignorant statement into a flamingly prejudicial and ignorant statement with no basis for proof, and one that is highly offensive to anybody who is in the liberal arts.

You managed to stop the nonsense and actually respond in a reasonable manner just shy of getting yourself ejected from CT. In the future, keep the value judgements out of your statements unless you've got some evidence to back them up.

If your point is that GPA is not indicative of intelligence, you need only say so, and leave it at that. Slapping on an "example" about how someone is -better- than someone else because you personally find their field of study more difficult is fallacious.

A claim like "Someone with a 4.0 isn't necessarily smarter than someone with a 2.8" is perfectly fine and something that has already been stated repeatedly.

A claim like "Some random liberal arts major with a 4.0 is -obviously- not smarter than an engineer with a 2.8, because come on, everyone knows engineers are more intelligent" is something that has no business whatsoever in this forum.

[t0ni]

Re: GPA's accuracy reflecting intelligence.

"GPA's accuracy reflecting intelligence"
wow, you missed the point here, GPA does not reflect intelligence, you totally missed the point, if you take for example a person majoring in liberal arts, I dont care what you say its one of the easiest majors, and they happened to get a 3.5, now lets take the same person cause you guys are all getting butthurt here, and they major on biology, and they get a 2.5, does that mean he or she is not that intelligent because its a difficult major, or should they go and switch to arts and get that 3.5 and be intelligent, that is if GPA relflects intelligence but it doesn't, because this person may be smart, but in fact he is just majoring in a harder subject, wow seriously, think people.

[ieatyourlvllol]

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obviously engineering is a way more difficult major

Based on your rather unsupported assumptions, I'd say you've obviously taken every engineering -and- liberal arts course at every college out there. Could it possibly be that in general, engineering is simply judged on a stricter scale than liberal arts, resulting in an appearance of elevated difficulty? Bear in mind that the former is more objective in content and thus grading systematics, whereas the latter leans toward the subjective. That being said, is it possible to directly compare grades between the two? Your mindset clearly indicates the affirmative, but reason calls forth a resounding "NO!"

but please this topic is so easy to understand, that this thread should be locked

This thread was intended for discussion regarding the correlation between the quantity of GPA and the quality of intelligence. What you were leading into deals with the supposed relative difference in separate courses, which is a relationship entirely removed from that which the thread topic concerns.

Anyways, if you're going to contribute to a CT post, at least arm yourself with some logic. Without it, any argumentative material is merely opinion, which is hardly adequate tinder for fueling a debate.

[rade0110]

Re: GPA's accuracy reflecting intelligence.

t0ni:

4/ You must back up your claims with evidence. If you are trying to argue for something, you need evidence to back it up. It is very quick and easy to add links to your posts. If you are arguing a statistic, link to the agency who generated the statistic. If you are arguing using a concept people might not all be familiar with, link to the dictionary.com or wikipedia.org page that explains it.

5/ Unfalsifiable claims are not allowed. What this means is basically: No matter how strongly you choose to believe something, if that something cannot be proven or disproven, you cannot use it as evidence in discussions. As a practical rule it means that threads about religion are on very shaky ground. You can discuss religions and religious concepts to your heart's content provided you have proper evidence to back them up, but faith-based claims simply lead to flamewars, and juvenile "yes it is, no it isn't" back-and-forths that make everyone's day worse.

6/ Proper spelling and punctuation are mandatory. Even moreso than in the rest of the forum, posts in CT need to contain full and proper english words. Text is a medium of communication, and when u tak leik ths it breaks down the ability of people to understand you. Yes you know what you mean, yes we can figure out what you mean, but every time a post has to be made asking for a translation or interpretation of what you said, communication has broken down. Use spellcheck, use those language skills you should have been learning all these years in school.

Please fill all of these requirements in your next post.

You have absolutely no grounds for your argument. And, like I (and many others) have said, here in CT you need adequate support for your claims.

[Relambrien]

Re: GPA's accuracy reflecting intelligence.

We established a very long time ago that GPA is not necessarily indicative of intelligence. When you come in here and start claiming that it isn't, after the discussion had advanced far beyond that point, it's obvious you haven't read the thread, and don't have any sort of necessary skill for proper CT posting. With your ad hominem attacks, complete and utter disregard for people's posts, and completely biased and unsupported opinions, I recommend you take a break from posting and start looking over the discussions themselves, to see for yourself what is and isn't acceptable here.

I may be of a highly scientific mind, but that doesn't mean I go around claiming engineering is harder than liberal arts without having had any experience or done any research related to the subject.

[t0ni]

Re: GPA's accuracy reflecting intelligence.

t0ni:



Please fill all of these requirements in your next post.

You have absolutely no grounds for your argument. And, like I (and many others) have said, here in CT you need adequate support for your claims.

man you are dumb, "We established a very long time ago that GPA is not necessarily indicative of intelligence" enough said

[devonin]

Re: GPA's accuracy reflecting intelligence.

Okay, you're out. Come back in at least a week, when you've learned how to engage in civil discourse.

[Bynary Fission]

Re: GPA's accuracy reflecting intelligence.

GPA only indicates effort. I know total idiots who manage a 3.0 GPA or better. But other tests, like the SAT, have been shown to measure intelligence well, despite the fact that they were not used to measure it.

At one point, when I was slacking off, I had like a 1.0 GPA (I raised it almost instantly to 3.65 in two weeks), and I'm brilliant. I know a guy who drinks, smokes, doesn't work hard, slacks off, and is a bully, yet maintains a 3.0 GPA. And he was 16 (He's now 17, and hasn't changed). See my point? At school kids would often, no, always, measure intelligence by GPA. The kids who had 4.0s were considered geniuses (They weren't. They were smart but not REAL smart). I was like the only exception, but I won't go into why, that's irrelevant. But GPA is not indicative of intelligence. It never will be. It can be used as a rough estimate, but that's about it, and even then it's not always accurate.



~Bynary Fission

[MarukuAntoni]

Re: GPA's accuracy reflecting intelligence.

You need to take into consideration the school and the student. Theres no way you can look at a students GPA and tell whether or not he/she is intelligent or not. Students take a variety of courses whether it be difficult or easy. Someone can be taking easy classes such as art and p.e. while another take algebra and chemistry. Algebra and hemistry of course take more time and is much more difficult than art and p.e. so you cant really compare individuals transcripts because of class issue. Another issue has to be the school's curriculum. They differ in each city, state, and country so one schools curriculum may be easier than that of another.

[funmonkey54]

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I believe the GPA is rather inaccurate. In order for this to work every person would have to be identical. Because of circumstances in and out of some people's control this test is invalid.

[moches]

Re: GPA's accuracy reflecting intelligence.

GPA is a combination of the student's ability to learn and of the student's effort. A smart, but lazy student can easily B a class, while an average but well-moraled student will recieve an ace in the hole.

As for IQ, it only shows your capacity to know. There's a certain point in life where your instincts are replaced by what you know, and at that point, IQ becomes useless.

CONCLUSION: Since so much of a student's grade is based simply on finals, and to do good on finals, it's not about intelligence, only attitude and effort, GPA is not an accurate display of a student's intelligence. However, we should continue using it since it separates the merely smart from the truly devoted.

[devonin]

Re: GPA's accuracy reflecting intelligence.

Okay, since the little brou-haha with t0ni, we've had nothing but posts which have ignored the evolution of the discussion, and instead refer back only to the OP, and basically restate again and again the basic premise that we pretty much all agreed to right off the bat. So I'm going to close this up.