Infinity and our Existence

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  • rebelrunner26
    FFR Veteran
    • Feb 2007
    • 120

    #91
    Re: Infinity and our Existence

    hmm...ok. let me rephrase a bit. the bible =/= morality, which is what you're trying to prove to me, right? i agree. but the bible does present a moral code which was seen as the absolute law by many people for a long period of time, and still by some today. these morals were also presented through other texts (as in, other than christian texts), but these morals are still being applied to today's laws across the globe, regardless of if they came from the bible or another text or set of laws. earlier i was just using the bible and the u.s. as an example, but i do realize that it is different in other cultures.

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    • Kilroy_x
      Little Chief Hare
      • Mar 2005
      • 783

      #92
      Re: Infinity and our Existence

      OK then. You recognize that the Bible was a product of moral thought rather than the other way around, right? In that case, you can't say that the Non-Christian texts are reducible to Biblical ideals, because it is actually the case that both Biblical thinking and other moral thinking share a common ancestry independent of both Christian and specific other texts.

      The same thinking explains why we can look at the Codes of Hammurabi as marking the beginnings of legal thinking and of the rule of law, but we don't have to attribute all legal systems to Hammurabi, or even consider the codes to be morally correct.

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      • rebelrunner26
        FFR Veteran
        • Feb 2007
        • 120

        #93
        Re: Infinity and our Existence

        agreed.

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        • GuidoHunter
          is against custom titles
          • Oct 2003
          • 7371

          #94
          Re: Infinity and our Existence

          Originally posted by Kilroy_x
          Right, insects represent a large exception. However insect aggression is usually tied to sexuality, whereas the basis of human aggression is still debated.
          I believe ants and apes (maybe just chimpanzees, but I'll cover all bases in case) are the only species besides humans that engage in warfare (as coalitional intraspecific aggression). If other insects participate in such behavior, it's a rarity.

          --Guido


          Originally posted by Grandiagod
          Originally posted by Grandiagod
          She has an asshole, in other pics you can see a diaper taped to her dead twin's back.
          Sentences I thought I never would have to type.

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          • rebelrunner26
            FFR Veteran
            • Feb 2007
            • 120

            #95
            Re: Infinity and our Existence

            i've heard that too...but we were just referring to killing in general, like eating mates and what not

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            • seltivo
              FFR Player
              • Jul 2005
              • 38

              #96
              Re: Infinity and our Existence

              What does ants killing each other have to do with infinity and our existence?
              If you want to talk about the behavior of animals, make another thread. :P

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              • Kilroy_x
                Little Chief Hare
                • Mar 2005
                • 783

                #97
                Re: Infinity and our Existence

                It has to do with the "our existence" part.

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                • seltivo
                  FFR Player
                  • Jul 2005
                  • 38

                  #98
                  Re: Infinity and our Existence

                  o haha...


                  (sry for pointless post)

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                  • dvann
                    Banned
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 20

                    #99
                    Re: Infinity and our Existence

                    No Matter How Large Or Small A Number It Is Still A Percentage Of Infinity Like 1 That Is Pratically Zero But It Not So Even Thought Infinty Is The Higest Number In The Univers Ecery Other Number Has A Above Zero Precentage Except For Zero.

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                    • gnr61
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 7251

                      #100
                      Re: Infinity and our Existence

                      Let Me Explain To You What You Are Saying If A Number Is A Percentage Of Infinity It Is A Fraction Of Infinity Which Implies That It Can Be Multiplied By Something To Equal Infinity Which Defies Some Basic Laws Of Mathematics.
                      squirrel--it's whats for dinner.

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                      • devonin
                        Very Grave Indeed
                        Event Staff
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 10120

                        #101
                        Re: Infinity and our Existence

                        Also, whether gnr was just responding in the same way to prove a point or not, the 'Capitalizing Every Word' thing is incredibly annoying and poor communication, so you ought to try and not do it.

                        As for dvann's post: As gnr61 said, measurable numbers are not a fraction of infinity, because by its nature, infinity is not measurable.

                        There's an interesting question though...is 'infinity' technically a prime number? There are branches of mathematics that deal with differing sizes of infinities, such that one infinity could actually be larger than another, so it could be meaningful to say that the only factors of infinity are infinity and 1.

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                        • Kilroy_x
                          Little Chief Hare
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 783

                          #102
                          Re: Infinity and our Existence

                          How could infinity have factors? It doesn't seem like infinity can even have a fixed value, at least not a discernible one, meaning its only provable factor is itself by identity.

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                          • gnr61
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 7251

                            #103
                            Re: Infinity and our Existence

                            Originally posted by Kilroy_x
                            How could infinity have factors? It doesn't seem like infinity can even have a fixed value, at least not a discernible one, meaning its only provable factor is itself by identity.
                            Non-prime until proven otherwise.
                            squirrel--it's whats for dinner.

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                            • devonin
                              Very Grave Indeed
                              Event Staff
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 10120

                              #104
                              Re: Infinity and our Existence

                              I'm referring here more to the Cantorian concept of transfinite numbers, and that there are sizes of infinities. Given sizes of infinity, I was half-joking that they qualified under the usual definition of primes, even though it would be impossible to prove.

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                              • seltivo
                                FFR Player
                                • Jul 2005
                                • 38

                                #105
                                Re: Infinity and our Existence

                                Ignore this post. everything in it is (according to someone who sounds smarter that me) wrong.(see post 117)
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                                If you multiply 1x2x3x4x...xn and then add one (I think it works if you subract one too, but I'm not shure), you will get a prime number. If, instead of stopping at n, you keep going to infinity, then add one you would get a prime number. This would make infinity prime.

                                However, even if infinity is prime, you gould just multiply it by two (not really changing much) and make it non prime.

                                This is where the whole "different sizes of infinity" thing comes in. In theory, multiplying infinity by two would give a larger infinity. But since infinity never ends, it would make sense that the second is no larger than the first.

                                So, it seems to me that some sizes of infinity are prime and some aren't.
                                How you would manage to tell them apart would be kinda confusing tough.

                                Another cool thing I thought I'd mention. There are (theoretically) infinitly more numbers between one and infinity than there are between one and zero. Yet, there is an infinite number of numbers between one and zero.

                                (If anything I said was wrong or didn't make sense, please tell me)
                                Last edited by seltivo; 07-16-2007, 10:01 AM. Reason: disproved

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