Infinity and our Existence

[rebelrunner26]

Re: Infinity and our Existence

well, that's not really what i was getting at...i just mean sometimes you have to back a theory up with knowledge that's more concrete...which isn't silly, that's part of life

[redskulll]

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well even tho in a way religion is kina of silly, it was made to answer quistion, but in the time nowmost of them are answerd but ppl with weak mines have to look some were for somthing they can understand so religion in a way is the answer for them even tho in a way it wroung but it somthing ppl can look for and even tho the bilbe seems to say somthing and then say anther thing that makes those 2 staments seem both wroung well that just what ppl tho of a long time ago so what we shoudl o is proply make a newer version of the bible but the way things are that wont happen becuase then who going to write it?


sry for teh bad spelling btw im mroe math an since then english

[devonin]

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Have you considered typing in a word processor first, running spellcheck and then pasting the text here? It will do a world of good making you be understood.

Though I disagree with your assertion that religion is an answer for people with weak minds. People need to stop thinking of religion (especially western religion) as being -just- about creationism and leaps of faith.

Don't underestimate the usefulness of a positive moral code on society either. Some of the most kind, compassionate people I've ever met have been devoutly religious people.

[atalkingcow]

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This brings up another aspect... it can also be said that the universe as we know it is also a figment of the human mind because of what we have seen... we know this because of our eyes, which are just part of the body and will eventually shrivel up with the rest of us. This being said, it is possible that there are other dimensions (or planes, like in the Bartimaeus series, even though that's just a fantasy novel) that are not viewable or comprehendable by our minds (or at least our minds enclosed in human brains)

And as far as combining something with no evidence with something with evidence being silly....isn't that what religion does?

No, That's called a Theory.

Religion takes something with almost NO evidence and considers it ABSOLUTE fact.

[rebelrunner26]

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theory (n) -a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.

[rebelrunner26]

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Though I disagree with your assertion that religion is an answer for people with weak minds. People need to stop thinking of religion (especially western religion) as being -just- about creationism and leaps of faith.

Don't underestimate the usefulness of a positive moral code on society either. Some of the most kind, compassionate people I've ever met have been devoutly religious people.

sorry about the double post, but i wanted to point out that America was founded as "one nation under god" by a group of brilliant minds and the laws were based on basic morals which can be traced back to the bible (thou shalt not kill) (thou shalt not steal) etc.

[Kilroy_x]

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You realize that words "regarded" and "well-established" thrown in there negate the entire distinction you are trying to make?

Also, the opposite of asdkasdfh is nkrmnqwkn. Take my word for it.

[Kilroy_x]

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sorry about the double post, but i wanted to point out that America was founded as "one nation under god" by a group of brilliant minds and the laws were based on basic morals which can be traced back to the bible (thou shalt not kill) (thou shalt not steal) etc.

Intelligence is not a basis for morality.

Anyways, even if you were correct about the specific morals in question being traceable to the bible, the bible can also be traceable to mechanisms of biological evolution. Check. Mate.

[rebelrunner26]

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Intelligence is not a basis for morality.

Anyways, even if you were correct about the specific morals in question being traceable to the bible, the bible can also be traceable to mechanisms of biological evolution. Check. Mate.

I wasn't trying to imply that it is. I was just pointing out that there are people with strong minds that also strongly support religion.

Also, the founding fathers were christian, therefore their laws are traceable to the bible.

I see what you're saying, but that can be interpreted in more than one way (i.e. things in other species sometimes kill another member of said species without repercussions) so as far as check mate, i don't think so...not yet anyway

[Kilroy_x]

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Also, the founding fathers were christian, therefore their laws are traceable to the bible.

There are many different types of Christian. Suffice it to say the founding fathers can really only be called deists. Some of them leaned towards agnosticism. "I approach death with neither hope nor fear". Sound familiar?

I see what you're saying, but that can be interpreted in more than one way (i.e. things in other species sometimes kill another member of said species without repercussions) so as far as check mate, i don't think so...not yet anyway

I don't think you do understand. Human beings kill each other more than almost any other species. The point is that the Bible sprang out of a set of biological processes to which we can attribute your form of morality, the Bible did NOT create or serve as the basis for morality, even the specific form of morality expressed in it.

[devonin]

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Actually, several of the key founding fathers were avowedly deists. That lends an entirely seperate flavour to a lot of things.

[rebelrunner26]

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There are many different types of Christian. Suffice it to say the founding fathers can really only be called deists. Some of them leaned towards agnosticism. "I approach death with neither hope nor fear". Sound familiar?

I don't think you do understand. Human beings kill each other more than almost any other species. The point is that the Bible sprang out of a set of biological processes to which we can attribute your form of morality, the Bible did NOT create or serve as the basis for morality, even the specific form of morality expressed in it.

I'm not sure i believe that one. And also, while the bible did not create morality, it was one of the earlier texts that served as a law that put those principles into writing.

[Kilroy_x]

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I'm not sure i believe that one.

Why? The claim is found almost universally throughout behavioral science literature.

And also, while the bible did not create morality, it was one of the earlier texts that served as a law that put those principles into writing.

So? Fish were an earlier creature that served to put vertebrates into the animal population. Divergence has since occurred. I like being a mammal.

[rebelrunner26]

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well, it depends on what you're calling "more than almost any other species." if you're including insects in this, there are quite a few.

and as far as your fish point...i'm not really sure what you're trying to say. all i was trying to say is that the bible was one of the first written laws for a large quantity of people

[Kilroy_x]

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if you're including insects in this, there are quite a few.

Right, insects represent a large exception. However insect aggression is usually tied to sexuality, whereas the basis of human aggression is still debated.

and as far as your fish point...i'm not really sure what you're trying to say. all i was trying to say is that the bible was one of the first written laws for a large quantity of people

I'm saying that your nostalgia doesn't bode as well for morality as you seemed to think.