Islam and terrorism

[TheWired724]

Re: Islam and terrorism

Basically all I'm saying is that you could pretty much find verses just as bad as each other in the Bible and in the Qur'an until the proverbial cows come home without proving anything about whether religion inspires terrorism or evil deeds.

Well of course..if you took them out of context. But in context, this is not the case. The Qur'an has many open ended verses, the Bible does not.

[Kil-]

Re: Islam and terrorism

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[flamingspinach]

Re: Islam and terrorism

Well of course..if you took them out of context. But in context, this is not the case. The Qur'an has many open ended verses, the Bible does not.

<TheWired724> hehe he summarized it at the end I guess that means I can ignore the first paragraph and then make some totally irrelevant statement that even by itself is unfounded and idiotic and nobody will complain 8)

[TheWired724]

Re: Islam and terrorism

Sorry, sorry...didn't think it was a big deal.

All religious scriptures were written by human beings, and are imperfect.

I know that, and you know that. But a devoted Muslim really believes the Qur'an is the perfect word of God. This is why some follow it so attentively.

The concept of religion and what is morally acceptable and what is not has also changed vastly over the centuries. Any religion that is foolish enough to follow some book written by pious ancients to the letter can be accurately said to "inspire behavior akin to what someone more than a thousand years ago thought was 'moral'".

Allah's word, to a Muslim, is absolute. Regardless of time Allah's commands must be followed. Muslims are also ordered by the Qur'an to emulate their prophet, and his example doesn't change with time, it stays the same. Sin is still sin to Allah, Jihad is still the most noble cause, and Muhammad is still Muhammad.

Whether that's a good thing or not of course depends on the circumstances - which usually even vary over the course of a scripture, since they often weren't written by only one person (case: the bible).

This little issue right here that you've pointed out is how i know the claim that the Qur'an is inspired by God is false. It wasn't until the 8th century that the Qur'an was canonized into a book. Up until then it had been passed through oral recitation. By then most of those who personally heard the Qur'an from Muhammad, were dying on the battle fields; resulting in much of the Qur'an being lost or distorted.

[flamingspinach]

Re: Islam and terrorism

Straw man holy ****ing **** straw man out the wazoo dude I don't even

holy **** dude I don't even know what what
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Let me address the one part of this post where you are NOT talking out of your ass about what muslims supposedly believe:

This little issue right here that you've pointed out is how i know the claim that the Qur'an is inspired by God is false. It wasn't until the 8th century that the Qur'an was canonized into a book. Up until then it had been passed through oral recitation. By then most of those who personally heard the Qur'an from Muhammad, were dying on the battle fields; resulting in much of the Qur'an being lost or distorted.

Cool, you just established that it took approximately as long for the bible to be canonized into a book as it did the qur'an! Excellent! Heard of the Council of Rome? It took place almost 400 years after Jesus's death (and thousands of years after whatever happened in the old testament, presumably), and it was the first creation of an "official" set of books in the bible, as far as Christianity was concerned. Even that's a little iffy, since today's Catholic bible was only really finalized at the Council of Trent, which was in the 1500s if I recall correctly. And if you start saying that the Catholic bible is "not authentic", then, uh, well, there goes your justification for the bible as a more authoritative source than the qur'an - considering there's hundreds of versions of it. Great. At least the Qur'an is slightly more consistent since it was written by one person, supposedly.

BUT! Besides all this, you are still totally missing my point, which is that all relatively old scriptures are obsolete and should be discarded. Someone who "interprets the scriptures in their proper context" is what we call a "fundamentalist", you know. A progressive religious person tries to interpret the scriptures of their religion as far as possible from their ancient and outmoded "proper context" as possible.

[Kiro51]

Re: Islam and terrorism

The coran teach to love people, the respect ect...


But I've heard that it tells to destroy every other religion, or something like that... is it right?

[talisman]

Re: Islam and terrorism

Well actually, it did kinda start like that.

flatly incorrect.

I was talking about modern terrorism, which did begin largely as a reaction to the perceived lack of values inherent in the material Western culture. No one was reading the Qur'an and then decided to be a terrorist based upon what it said. Religion is USED by terrorists, but it does not endorse or somehow propagate terrorism.

[Maid]

Re: Islam and terrorism

Fact is, vast majority, if not all terrorists are Muslim(you may argue they aren't, but they profess they are. that's all you need for an avg joe), whether Islam a religion of peace or not, fact is most terrorists swear by Islam. Thus bringing it bad name, it doesn't have to be true for something to be perceived as such. You can look again at religions and faith for perfect example. In this case, people die everyday, a lot more concrete evidence isn't it?

[jewpinthethird]

Re: Islam and terrorism

Fact is, vast majority, if not all terrorists are Muslim

What?

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Did you just make that up? Because it sounds like you just made that up. In fact, I am going to go as far to say that you did make that up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents

Do you realize how stupid that comment made you sound? You're from a Red state, aren't you?

Also, you all do realize that Allah is just the Muslim word for God, right? And that it's the same God of the Jews and Christians? And that Moses and Jesus are prophets of Islam? And that Muhammad had respect for all the people of the Book?

[flamingspinach]

Re: Islam and terrorism

hay jewpin yeah he may be "from a red state" but he's an Elite FFR Supporter okay;; don't be dissin :O

ps you're doing the "what" wrong

[Maid]

Re: Islam and terrorism

What?

What?

What?

What?

What?

What?

Did you just make that up? Because it sounds like you just made that up. In fact, I am going to go as far to say that you did make that up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents

Do you realize how stupid that comment made you sound? You're from a Red state, aren't you?

Also, you all do realize that Allah is just the Muslim word for God, right? And that it's the same God of the Jews and Christians? And that Moses and Jesus are prophets of Islam? And that Muhammad had respect for all the people of the Book?

Let me clarify, apparently I did not cover all the bases, I tried, alas. Names for God are just semantics. What avg joe out there believes in what I just stated, blame the media but the most(Not all) terrorists who choose to show themselves are indeed believe themselves being Muslim and are being paraded by the media as the big devil and the fact that people die everyday from bombs, its been going for so long now that none really cares anymore and considers it a daily routine, it's quite scary what human can get used to. Again for vast majority comment(death toll over these years speaks for itself)

My comment is perfectly reasonable and not in the least bit stupid, and what is the so called red state comment has to do with anything? Kind of made me think hmmm, calling someones opinion stupid yet already having some preconceived bias that comes from what exactly?

That list by the way is quite irrelevant to this discussion, we are talking about the Now.

[jewpinthethird]

Re: Islam and terrorism

That list by the way is quite irrelevant to this discussion, we are talking about the Now.

They invented this crazy thing called the scroll wheel...you should try using one sometime, you'd be surprised, but apparently not all the information on a webpage is present within the default resolution of the browser. I know, it sounds crazy, but it's true.

You said "Fact is, vast majority, if not all terrorists are Muslim." (If you didn't mean this, then why did you type it out?)

I said. "No, you're wrong. Your statement is not fact. You pulled it out of your ass. Here's a list of some documented terrorist attacks from before the 11th century to February 22, 2007. You'll notice that terrorism is not unique to Islam. Your statement was ignorant and offensive and it sounds like someone who is pro-George W. Bush would say (hence, Red-State)."

[dawgbarf]

Re: Islam and terrorism

The Hadith isn't considered the word of Allah, and the translations that you're using as evidence are being taken out of context, since you're taking words like "fight" to mean violence. The vast majority of people who practice Islam are not terrorists, so if Islam teaches terrorism, then why are the majority of muslims not terrorists? There have been terrorists of every religion, all using different excuses to justify their violence ("freedom" fighters for example), and the "muslim terrorists" are really terrorists who happen to be muslim (no relationship between Islam and terrorism) and take the Qur'an out of context to justify their actions. Suicide bombers and other terrorists have been brainwashed into thinking that Islam rewards their actions as martyrs.

[Maid]

Re: Islam and terrorism

They invented this crazy thing called the scroll wheel...you should try using one sometime, you'd be surprised, but apparently not all the information on a webpage is present within the default resolution of the browser. I know, it sounds crazy, but it's true.

You said "Fact is, vast majority, if not all terrorists are Muslim." (If you didn't mean this, then why did you type it out?)

I said. "No, you're wrong. Your statement is not fact. You pulled it out of your ass. Here's a list of some documented terrorist attacks from before the 11th century to February 22, 2007. You'll notice that terrorism is not unique to Islam. Your statement was ignorant and offensive and it sounds like someone who is pro-George W. Bush would say (hence, Red-State)."

Just to keep this straight, this is what I see. I never said terrorism is unique to Islam I only pointed out, that now terrorism is being tied as synonymous to Islam, by the media, they may over blow things out of proportion, do not report incidents that for Example Americans wouldn't want to see. People die everyday to bombs, it is an undisputed fact and various Islamic factions keep claiming they did it. I am able to see 2 sides still, still open to change my mind but there is got to be something more for that to happen.

[virtuoussinner]

Re: Islam and terrorism

This board went from someone seeking the consensus of opinions to people who are more than likely not Muslim jumping to conclusions about a religion that they are no part of.