Islam and terrorism

[sherbtail]

Re: Islam and terrorism

If I'm right (I not in a thinking mood now so exuse me if I'm wrong) I think the muslims believe that only their religion is correct. Most of them want christians dead. That is why we are fighting in Iraq now. People like Osama want us dead because where christian and were americans.

Christians believe exactly the same thing, that only their religion is correct. Most Muslims want Christians dead? That's such a turdacious comment, Muslims are as eager to convert Christians as Christians are to convert Muslims. No converting could be done if we were all dead.

Osama is not a fundamental Muslim, because a fundamental Muslim wouldn't support terrorism. Osama just uses religion as an excuse in order to rally some young delusional kids.

Jewpin, I think I pretty much agree with everything you have said
TheWired, I think I pretty much disagree with everything you have said

[TheWired724]

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Christians believe exactly the same thing, that only their religion is correct. Most Muslims want Christians dead? That's such a turdacious comment, Muslims are as eager to convert Christians as Christians are to convert Muslims. No converting could be done if we were all dead.

You're looking at it wrong. Islam's goal is not to necessarily convert, but to rid the world of infidels. according to Islamic theology Allah has already predestined whether someone will go to hell or not. So you see the emphasis is not on converting pagans, but ridding the world of them.

Osama is not a fundamental Muslim, because a fundamental Muslim wouldn't support terrorism. Osama just uses religion as an excuse in order to rally some young delusional kids.

Why? Bin Laden is acting no differently then how the first Muslims acted. He's not using religion as a ploy, but rather submitting himself to the religion to accomplish its goals.

Jewpin, I think I pretty much agree with everything you have said
TheWired, I think I pretty much disagree with everything you have said

Mind pointing out the fallacies in my statements?

[sherbtail]

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You're looking at it wrong. Islam's goal is not to necessarily convert, but to rid the world of infidels. according to Islamic theology Allah has already predestined whether someone will go to hell or not. So you see the emphasis is not on converting pagans, but ridding the world of them.

Sorry I'll address the other points later, I need sleep now though. But I think you are the one looking at it wrong here, in the Christian faith, God knows whether you are going to heaven or hell, thus it is already 'decided' in a sense who is going to heaven or hell. This is really hard to explain... but even though it is decided already and God knows, it is decided through human actions and the choices people make. So even though the future is already decided and written in stone, it is still us who make the future. The same is true of Islam. It is predestined whether someone goes to heaven or hell in the sense that of course Allah knows who goes where, however people do not know who is going where, and so should try and convert everybody they can.

I'm sorry, that was probably really badly explained, but it was hard, and I'm tired

[TheWired724]

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Sorry I'll address the other points later, I need sleep now though. But I think you are the one looking at it wrong here, in the Christian faith, God knows whether you are going to heaven or hell, thus it is already 'decided' in a sense who is going to heaven or hell. This is really hard to explain... but even though it is decided already and God knows, it is decided through human actions and the choices people make. So even though the future is already decided and written in stone, it is still us who make the future. The same is true of Islam. It is predestined whether someone goes to heaven or hell in the sense that of course Allah knows who goes where, however people do not know who is going where, and so should try and convert everybody they can.

I agree with you on Christianity. As a being existing beyond the dimension of time, Yahweh can see what our futures will be and he'll see if we ultimately go to heaven or hell, but he does not determine our fates. Allah is different: Bukhari:V6B60N473 "While we were in a funeral procession, Allah's Apostle said, ‘Every created soul has his place written for him either in Paradise or in Hell. They have a happy or miserable fate predestined for them.' A man said, ‘Apostle! Shall we depend upon what is written and give up doing deeds? For whoever is destined to be fortunate, will join the fortunate and whoever is destined to be miserable will go to Hell.'"

Qur'an 70:1 "A questioner questioned concerning the doom about to fall upon the infidels, which none can avert or repel."



Bukhari:V4B55N550 "The Prophet said, ‘Allah has appointed an angel in the womb, and the angel says, "Lord, a drop of semen discharge. Lord, a clot, Lord, a piece of flesh." And then, if Allah wishes to complete the child's creation, the angel will say. Lord, male or a female? Lord, wretched or blessed in religion? What will his livelihood be? What will his age be?" The angel writes all this while the child is in the womb of its mother.'"


Tabari I:306 "The Messenger said, "Allah created Adam and then rubbed Adam's back with his right hand and brought forth his progeny. Then He said, ‘I have created these as the inhabitants of Paradise.' Then he rubbed his back with His left hand and said, ‘I have created those for the Fire, and they will act as the inhabitants of the Fire.' A man asked, ‘O Messenger, how is that?' Muhammad replied, ‘When Allah creates a human being for Paradise, He employs him to act as the inhabitants of Paradise, and he will enter Paradise. And when Allah creates a human being for the Fire, He will employ him to act as the inhabitants of the Fire, and will thus make him enter the Fire.'"


As these passages should demonstrate, unlike Yahweh, Allah actually decides who enters hell or paradise. Before one is borned, Allah has decreed whether one will enter hell or not.

I'm sorry, that was probably really badly explained, but it was hard, and I'm tired

No, i understood you. What you said was logical and rational.

[dawgbarf]

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Don't make generalizations about a religion based on the actions of a few of its 'followers'. There are many more Muslims who follow the teachings of Islam to do good things. By looking at this topic from a single perspective, you are essentially fueling a stereotype and spreading hate.

[TheWired724]

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Don't make generalizations about a religion based on the actions of a few of its 'followers'. There are many more Muslims who follow the teachings of Islam to do good things. By looking at this topic from a single perspective, you are essentially fueling a stereotype and spreading hate.

This statement shows me you haven't read anything i've said. I stated in another post that my opinions are mostly derived from what Islamic text states. And i've also explained why there are so many peaceful Muslims. By spreading your fallicious statements, you are spreading deceit to the ignorant. This ignorance is why America is fighting a war it currently cannot win. Some times, the truth is offensive.

[TheWired724]

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Don't mean to make useless comments...but has my thread died? Or what?

[sherbtail]

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Apparently so...

[Hepcat06]

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We were discussing Islam in our class a while back. I don't know if my memory is clear but we learned about an Islamic word Jihad meaning Holy War. the Qur'an teaches Muslims to go into a holy war. What I think it's supposed to mean, is two things; a fight with yourself inside, and with another to try and convert them or something. Im not too sure. But apparently Binladen twisted this and told Muslims that they needed to go to war with the most evil country, America, and that after they have killed one of these evil people, when they die, they will immediately go to heaven. so ya.. I dont know. i may be totally wrong

[GuidoHunter]

Re: Islam and terrorism

Did you read this thread before posting what you did?

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