racism

[Cj_leonine]

Re: racism

I agree with this although both are still offensive.

Ps. During the news cast she said the english teacher said a 6 letter word. . .

[studmuffin51306]

Re: racism

I have never taken a sociology class. I am a 15 year old who is just describing what he has observed. The only racism I see today is in support of minorities, not against them.

[ebs2002]

Re: racism

The only racism I see today is in support of minorities, not against them.

And where do you live? Where do you go to school? White suburbia, perhaps?

[Afrobean]

Re: racism

If you think that whites are discriminated against, you need to take a sociology class.

rofl

Whites get the most opportunities in the world. Equal Opportunity Employer is about being fair to all people.

Oh sorry. did I say "equal opportunity" before? I meant affirmative action. Affirmative action isn't fair to all people. It gives an advantage to minorities.

If that black person doesn't get the job, it's a lot harder for him to find another job.

And what of the white person who is also struggling to get a job, but doesn't simply because the black man was automatically more likely to get hired because of his race. Now stop and think for a moment. Someone was more likely to get hired because of their race. That is not equality.

Also, the fact that it is much harder for a black man to get ahead in society, the fact that his skills can even be compared to yours...well, his is much more of an accomplishment.

No.

No. No. No. Black people are equals. THEM BEING ABLE TO DO **** IS NOT SUPER AWESOME COOL WORK FOR THEM, IT IS SIMPLY THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NO BETTER OR WORSE THAN ANYONE ELSE, AND IF THEY ARE BETTER OR WORSE, IT IS BECAUSE OF THEIR HARD WORK (OR LACK THEREOF) AND NOT BECAUSE OF RACE.

I'd rather have that man working for me than you, anyway.

And what happens when the most qualified person happens to be white, but a black man is hired instead because of affirmative action?

In a perfect world, we wouldn't NEED equal opportunity laws or affirmative action laws. But until whites realize the hardships a black man faces every day...

ROFL ROFL ROFL

The black people of today are not the same black people who were slaves. They don't live forever. The black people of today are TOTALLY DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE THE LIFE EXPERIENCE OF HAVING BEEN A SLAVE, AND THE YOUNGER ONES DO NOT EVEN HAVE THE LIFE EXPERIENCE OF BEING TREATED AS A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN.

I'd also like to add that I am 100% white.

orly i couldn't tell based on the fact that you have no idea about black people

The only TRUE racism that exists in this day and age, I'd say, would be small hick towns where the population consists of 100% white trash.

[ebs2002]

Re: racism

rofl

Oh sorry. did I say "equal opportunity" before? I meant affirmative action. Affirmative action isn't fair to all people. It gives an advantage to minorities.

It gives an advantage to minorities because statistically blacks are less likely to get an education, regardless of their IQ.

And what of the white person who is also struggling to get a job, but doesn't simply because the black man was automatically more likely to get hired because of his race. Now stop and think for a moment. Someone was more likely to get hired because of their race. That is not equality.

It's forced equality. You know why he's more likely to get the job? Because there's less people like him trying to find work at higher pay-grades, and because a lot of people still don't see "colored people" as people worth hiring.

No.

No. No. No. Black people are equals. THEM BEING ABLE TO DO **** IS NOT SUPER AWESOME COOL WORK FOR THEM, IT IS SIMPLY THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NO BETTER OR WORSE THAN ANYONE ELSE, AND IF THEY ARE BETTER OR WORSE, IT IS BECAUSE OF THEIR HARD WORK (OR LACK THEREOF) AND NOT BECAUSE OF RACE.

Haha. You really have no idea. How come Ashlee Simpson is going to an ivy league university, while intelligent black people who grew up in the ghetto has to settle for a community college because his 3.8GPA at the ghetto doesn't say as much as your 3.8GPA in white suburbia. He grew up in the ghetto and by default received a much worse education than you did, and without Affirmative Action he would not be able to get an education worth a damn, even though he has the same potential as you do (if not more, since he had to work harder to survive in the ghetto than you did in suburbia).

And what happens when the most qualified person happens to be white, but a black man is hired instead because of affirmative action?

It's not about how many letters you have after your name, or who you studied under. It's about your potential. And, believe it or not, somebody who grew up in the ghetto and made it to college has worked a LOT harder than someone who grew up in a large house in the suburbs.

ROFL ROFL ROFL

The black people of today are not the same black people who were slaves. They don't live forever. The black people of today are TOTALLY DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE THE LIFE EXPERIENCE OF HAVING BEEN A SLAVE, AND THE YOUNGER ONES DO NOT EVEN HAVE THE LIFE EXPERIENCE OF BEING TREATED AS A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN.

ORLY? Explain why a black man is 8x more likely to wind up in jail than a white man is. I know you'll argue that they commit more crimes, but ask yourself why this is the case.

The only TRUE racism that exists in this day and age, I'd say, would be small hick towns where the population consists of 100% white trash.

Wake up. It may not be as prevalent in your geographic region, or of people your age, but across the country it's still something the average black man has to deal with every day.

[Afrobean]

Re: racism

How come Ashlee Simpson is going to an ivy league university

because she's rich and famous

ps if that statistic you fed about a black man being 8x times more likely to be in jail than a white man is true (I ctrl+F'd the link you put and found no instance of 8 or eight that had anything to do with what you said), it's because crime rates are much higher in ghettos and LE GASP ghettos are often highly populated with black people. If whites were in thsoe ghettos in place of black people, the statistic would be more like "there are 8x as many white men in jail than black" Race is irrelevent. What you're getting at is socioeconomic standing. They're not the same thing.

pps I grew up in what could easily be described as ghetto. I'm currently going to college. It's really not a big deal.

[Afrobean]

Re: racism

Oh and bu the way, debating equality is useless anyway, because this isn't a communist country (ie a country where everyone is equal). This is a capitalist country. In other words, money talks, and it just so happens that in many instances black people don't have money.

Don't forget however that there are many white people without money as well. We're not talking about a society in which white people are all rich and black people are all poor. We're talking about a society in which races are spread out over the spectrum with some black people being extremely wealthy, some being extremely poor, and even some white people being extremely wealthy and others being extremely poor.

You can't really say that black people need help. There are many black people who do well for themselves. And to say that white people will do just fine because they're white is bull****. It's money that's needed, not race.

[ebs2002]

Re: racism

From the article I linked:

Overall, 4.8 percent of black males were in prison or jails, compared to 1.7 percent of Hispanics and 0.6 percent of whites.

I agree 100% that it's more about money. And I agree with trying to help out people who don't have as much money. But those people are largely black. Ergo, blacks on the whole don't have the same opportunities that whites have.

Regardless, there's still plenty of racism that people come across every day. If you grew up in the ghetto, I'm surprised you haven't taken notice.

And kudos for getting to college. You may not think it was that hard, but when you look at how many of your old classmates made it to college, I bet you'd find that it's a lot lower than where I grew up (in suburbia).

[Anticrombie0909]

Re: racism

ebs, you're freaking retarded.

Minorities have far more power being oppressed than they ever would have being free.

If you really think minorities are still being oppressed, explain why affirmative action allows a minority with lesser credentials to be chosen above me.

Explain why it's encouraged for minorities to create minority pride groups, parades, etc, yet it's racist for me to support a "white pride" group.

Explain how a teacher making an innocent comment can be persecuted by his actions because of the color of his skin.

Get off your self-righteous high horse. All you "equal rights" supporters don't want equal rights, you want special rights. And if you weren't such a complete moron, you'd realize that by trying to recognize and compensate for the alleged "disadvantages" minorities face, you're inherently spreading and propogating racism by even acknowledging that there's a difference.

[JurseyRider734]

Re: racism

ebs, you're freaking retarded.

Minorities have far more power being oppressed than they ever would have being free.

If you really think minorities are still being oppressed, explain why affirmative action allows a minority with lesser credentials to be chosen above me.

Explain why it's encouraged for minorities to create minority pride groups, parades, etc, yet it's racist for me to support a "white pride" group.

Explain how a teacher making an innocent comment can be persecuted by his actions because of the color of his skin.

Get off your self-righteous high horse. All you "equal rights" supporters don't want equal rights, you want special rights. And if you weren't such a complete moron, you'd realize that by trying to recognize and compensate for the alleged "disadvantages" minorities face, you're inherently spreading and propogating racism by even acknowledging that there's a difference.

Usually when Anti posts, I completely agree with it. This is one of those times. He's 100% correct.

[studmuffin51306]

Re: racism

Thank you to everyone for coming to my defense.

And where do you live? Where do you go to school? White suburbia, perhaps?

I live in suburbia. There are black people here. Plenty. I live in the deep deep south. If you want to talk about working hard, I can do that too. My very recent ancestors were pioneers to this area. They came in during the dust storms and somehow managed to grow their food and raise their meat. They lived an incredibly humble life. They are the reason why I live today in "white suburbia". If people want to get out of the ghetto they can. The problem is, just like most of the rest of modern society, they aren't willing to put forth the effort to get out of the ghetto. They grow up with the criminals, they become the criminals, and they stay the criminals. Your statistic is true, not on basis of color, but on basis of effort.

[Swoop]

Re: racism

I think that only African American should be able to use that foul word. I think that what they should do is comletely outlaw the "N word". But an abundance of people will still use it. So, there is really nothing that anyone can do about it. It's probably just mearly just one of those phase. For instance, In the 70's they had their weed and their peace signs. After the years passed the abundance of people moved on or grew up. So what I'm trying to say is, After a certain number of years, maybe 10 or 15, the minority of the population will still use it. But most won't use that curse word.

[Afrobean]

Re: racism

I think that only African American should be able to use that foul word. I think that what they should do is comletely outlaw the "N word".

Shut up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

[Anticrombie0909]

Re: racism

I think that only African American should be able to use that foul word. I think that what they should do is comletely outlaw the "N word". But an abundance of people will still use it. So, there is really nothing that anyone can do about it. It's probably just mearly just one of those phase. For instance, In the 70's they had their weed and their peace signs. After the years passed the abundance of people moved on or grew up. So what I'm trying to say is, After a certain number of years, maybe 10 or 15, the minority of the population will still use it. But most won't use that curse word.

Remember the song "Zoot Suit Riot"?

In the 1930s, Mexican gangsters were stereotypically known to wear a popular piece of clothing at the time, dubbed a Zoot Suit. Zoot Suits had large, loose pants, pinstripes, a hat, and often a wallet chain.

Racist sailors had a common shore-leave pasttime of hunting down these "Zooters" and beating the royal crap out of them, for no other reason than the fact that they were zooters.

After a few years of these Zoot Suit Riots, the government decided to address the problem directly.

They banned Zoot Suits.


I don't think I need to explain the significance of my story.

[studmuffin51306]

Re: racism

And now the zoot suits have evolved into hydrolics, grillz, and bling bling.

Outlawing one thing doen't stop the entire problem.