The Universe Theory

[chickendude]

4th dimension being time is so 100 years ago

we're in the string theory age now
time is like a pseudo-dimension, its like a dimension but its different than the others
and if you were to put one in string theory, it would be like the 13th or 10th or 16th or something like that

and I too am only educated not even to highschool level outside of my own research - but I read up a lot on string theory, its really interesting
Im going to be a sophmore in highschool XD, but i did take physics freshman year

and the ants cant eat through the peel because theyre 2D ants
they can see that theyre standing on a peel, they think they exist in this nice flat place but they dont realize their flat place is curved

just like we dont realize that our three dimensional place is curved
we cant escape because theres no way out, it just goes in circles, very big circles

although there is this alternate theory about the universe being a saddle, not an orange but that one is really weird and messed up

oh and q, gravity is law because we have never been able to fathom anything going against it, this doesnt mean that its not possible for something to go against it, it just means we havent thought of it yet
Thats why nothing is proven for sure in this kind of science

[Reach]

String theory is confusing. It looks like I must research further then though, I don't know how much physics I will be doing in university.

Though I think I know what you mean. That is just, weird though. Because it's something we havn't been able to experience.

[chickendude]

yeah, I was confused when I first saw the stuff
but now I just pretty much accept that I will never fully understand because I am three dimensional

Whenever theres 4D stuff, I just kinda accept that I am a dimension too short to ever be able to think of it

Only people very high on drugs could possibly visualize it XD

[chuandyou]

Alpha Omega

The universe could be finite but without any edges, it just wraps around, curves to meet itself

How big are the universes curves? C-cup? lol.

I heard alot of weird stuff from all of you, thnx for the input!

Btw, what i was saying about the nows thing i didn't exactly word very well. This post might provide an explaination:

Now is gone so fast that once we concieve of the now we are thinking of, we have already passed it. In fact, we are wasting valuable nows thinking about now, or playing FFR, or, ah screw it, we have infinite nows anyway. Right?

Which comes to my next clarification: We have infinite nows, but we have already chosen our path because a path was premade as an alternate dimension. When we die, we are just waiting for another one of those alternate dimensions. One action, one now, could be different, or the whole thing could be that your first now is being born as a platypus instead of a human. Since our brains are too simple to keep our memory throughout spiritual movement between dimensions, we completely forget about our past life, if a past life even exists.

An idea that I had, called the Brothers Clan, was formed as an idea that there are multiple universes. The Fish Clan, whom the Brothers Clan are rogues to, use up alot of space to make one big universe. The Brothers Clan, on the other hand, use the extra space that the Fish Clan haven't used to create a universe for every single concept. If that exists, then I have actually created the Brothers Clan through thought, though it probably doesn't.

The First Now (lets use that name instead of G_d, much more fitting in this conversation) is a simple idea. First, there wasn't. Then, the First Now existed out of nothing. Impossible is what most scientists would say. Impossibe would then be known as the First Now.

If the universe loops, it has no end. What would end it? The Last Now. "Alpha and Omega, First and Last." I cannot possibly think of what would happen or lack happening.

Good luck trying to figure that out!

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Captin Chu

[Tokzic]

RE: Alpha Omega

infinity*infinity^infinity

Wow, what does that come out to? I don't know - maybe infinity?

And there is no last now if there's infinite nows.

[rockinwithkiss]

RE: Alpha Omega

I suppose that explains the idea behind deja-vu.

[Tokzic]

RE: Alpha Omega

You people and your deja vu theories.

Deja vu does not mean you're gifted with psychic powers, it means your brain screwed up and threw some input from what you're seeing into your memory. Give it up.

[chickendude]

RE: Alpha Omega

Going somewhere else after you die is a very religious thing
Religion is based on faith, which is why science can't accomodate it
I'm not trying to lean toward either one, I'm just making a distinction

the scientific problem with going somewhere after you die is that it assumes that humans are special, that the earth is special. What makes us different than any other blob of matter on some distant planet, with respect to this thing with nows. How do you distinguish a human dying to an asteroid exploding. You can set guidelines but they would have to be quite precise, and the universe doesnt run on stuff like that. As far as the universe can tell, some asteroid crashing into some random planet is no more special then a person getting hit by a car. The whole notion of thinking, scientifically is just some neurons in your brain stimulating random things making you think. Stimulated neurons are just particles, no more special then some atoms on that asteroid hitting that planet.

Basically Religion goes the way of distinguishing humans/life from other blobs of matter

And science (At least physics) goes for keeping general laws for whatever, the laws governing us arent any different than the ones for that asteroid.

EDIT:
oh and infinity isn't a number, you cant multiply by infinity and then put it to the infinity power,
infinity is something you can approach, but you can't reach, so it's not a number

[chuandyou]

RE: Alpha Omega

f**k you!! I WILL MULTIPLY INFINITY AS MUCH AS I WANT!!!


And btw, most of the navis in the book I was talking about were animals/aliens. One of the funnier things in my brother/bodyguards homepage is a holy juristiction from a light bending accademy against 64, no, 128 ameobaes. The ameobaes were sentenced to 3000 G_D seconds in a blue sphere, my equivelent to the Christian Hell.

[Jam930]

Why do you guys try to get all complicated?

I don't think the Universe isn't outside our dimension... not in the least bit.

...and why does everyone think there are more dimensions? We can't completely understand something so we come up with the dumb idea that "oh... well there must be more dimensions".

We invented dimensions to help navigate our 3 dimension world... it's not like we just found a few dimensions and so we think there must be more.

The Universe is just the space in which we're in. I learned in an astronomy class about a lot of these theories and how there's blue and red shift from a certain point indicating that everything came from this one spot... this is the origin of the theory of the expanding universe, etc.

But I believe that the simplest explanation is probably the correct one. What we think is some finite, shaped universe originating from this one point is just like a huge thing. It's this huge thing or space... maybe was a super enormous gas cloud and everything including the galaxies etc that we know of originated from an explosion at that point... however in a big-universe sense your "universe" is simply another piece of star crap based on your misunderstand of how big "infinite" can really be.



Can't believe I bothered.

[chickendude]

Though it is true about the red shifts and stuff and how everything used to be at one point some 14 bil years ago
this one point, isnt just one point anymore, its not like a center, the universe doesnt have center or edges

Thats a nice pic Jam =) but the problem is that theres nothing outside the universe, we define the universe to contain everything

The universe could be infinite > but evidence points against it. The redshift and things moving apart point towards things originating from a point. If it orignated at a point and then started expanding, it has to be finite (and expanding)

now we cant have an edge to the universe, because what would be behind it, by def, the universe contains everything, so there's nothing behind it, there is no edge, and if theres no edge, there's no center.

This is what leads us to the 4D explanation, how can something have no edge or center but still be finite. It's one of Mr. Einstein's postulates, there is no almighty reference point, all reference points are equal. A center to the universe would also mean that its an almighty reference point, so if you were to go there, you would basically be cutting the last 100 years of physics, which has lots and lots of experimental back-up. Einstein wouldnt be so famous if they didn't.

So basically, if you want to find the place where the universe started, you dont have to look far, Its everywhere. When it expands, new space appears everywhere, its not like the edges move out, it just means that new space shows up everywhere, and the distance between things increases.

EDIT: While you have that picture, why dont you make the stuff outside of the universe green, because well, by definition it doesnt exist, so why not make it green, Green seems like a very, out there color =)

[Jam930]

Ugh... you don't really get what I said... try reading more carefully. That little red circle isn't the universe. That's my point.

That's why it's in quotes... referring to what the people with the shape and finite theories based on the shift said.

Try reading it again, I'm sure you'll get it.

[chickendude]

Ok, I read it a few times, and I get it a bit more, but im still a bit short on what you're getting it
some of the stuff my last post was irrelevant

If I were to try to make a diagram of the universe on a 2D flat screen like this message board it would look more like this
*opens paint and makes design*




Ta da
Ok, so this is a case where the universe is 1D - A line bent into a circle
If the universe was 2D then the thing would be a sphere - A plane bent around into a sphere
and if the universe was 3D , well then it would be this 4D round thing - a 3D space bent into this 4D round thing
oh and it doesnt have to be a circle, just any round continous shape, though it is thought to be fairly even

so the Universe is kind of shaped in a think-outside-the-box sense
but as far as we can see, it isnt shaped, its just this big thing that goes on forever... in circles.. you can go on forever but every 20billion lightyears or so, you'll end up where you started, that number getting bigger as we speak

*rereads post to make sure it is relevant*
I think thats it
Hope im still not missing the point

[Tokzic]

I'm tempted to say something non-sarcastic, but this is a topic that goes nowhere, no matter how much you argue, because you are just throwing theories at each other and not facts. You cannot defend your theory because it is just a guess, and they cannot defend their theory because it is just a guess. We'll never know what's true. Therefore, arguing about it is pointless, as is having a topic about it.

I would lock this if I could, but alas that's just my opinion and other mods may think otherwise.

[Reach]

I'm tempted to say something non-sarcastic, but this is a topic that goes nowhere, no matter how much you argue, because you are just throwing theories at each other and not facts. You cannot defend your theory because it is just a guess, and they cannot defend their theory because it is just a guess. We'll never know what's true. Therefore, arguing about it is pointless, as is having a topic about it.

I would lock this if I could, but alas that's just my opinion and other mods may think otherwise.

Not true xD It would be YOU in this situation that is making a guess.

Learn a little bit of modern physics. There is more and more backing the big bang and shape of the universe as we speak.

Let's also look at what you said. Theories are so really different from facts?

'As used in science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.

Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. A clear distinction needs to be made between facts (things which can be observed and/or measured) and theories (explanations which correlate and interpret the facts.
'


I don't see what's wrong with a discussion anyway.