Marijuana

[Skikamukazi]

Leaving mentally unstable house elves out of this. (Sorry, the HP reference was too good to pass up.)

Haha!

[dontcareaboutmyid]

I bring it up as so because that is the reason why people continue to want marijuana banned. Its tied in with everything negative, instead of trying to see some of the positives.

And you brought up cutting in the wrong way, so I felt the need to correct you. Cutting, while some moronic teens trying to look cool and crave attention use cutting, is not meant for such self destructive/retarded means. It's whole purpose was as mentioned, poeple think they need to be punished and as such, cut or self harm themselves.

I then tied into the issue at hand. Alcohol and drugs are abused, which they're not meant to be which gives them the bad image, as you've seen in the cutting example. you can't just look at the one side of things.
I then supported this arguement with the party example and [really long and hard to spell off the to of my head name, begins with an 's'] example.

Which was missed because you focused on the cutting issue, which we should now get off of unless you have anything else to add as a last word.

[JurseyRider734]

Way to take things to the furthest extreme. If you get held back because of something someone else was doing... you need some help. You see, the only way I can think of that happening is if you have a severe case of ADHD. Do you? Apparently so.

Why wouldn't something that someone does in class to disrupt it hold me back? It would hold everyone who WANTS to learn back because the teacher gets distracted. One thing leads to another, the teacher sends the kid to the principal's office, the parents call and complain, the teacher gets in trouble and it turns into a whole fiasco.

Why would me being held back in class by an idiot who smokes marijuana make me have "ADHD". First of all, ADHD stands for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Hyperactivity has NOTHING to do with being held back and not being able to concentrate. The REAL thing I'm hoping you're trying to say I have(hahah) is ADD, also known as attention deficit disorder, where I wouldn't be able to concentrate because i'm not able to. Way to not know one from the other, and being completely wrong about everything.

Get off the drugs.

[Skikamukazi]

I say ADHD because you seem to get hyped up about stuff real easily. I meant what I said.

I don't know what kind of school you go to, but in my school, if there is a distraction, the teacher calls security and security takes it from there. No interruption. And I highly doubt the parents will get upset at the teacher for dealing with a dope-head. A teacher probably won't get in trouble for that. Unless yor chass is filled with a bunch of pansies. What student is going to tell on their teacher to their parents because of some classroom distraction? If you would, that's pretty sad.

Wait, no it isn't... I think we should all tell our parents that our teachers are sending weed-heads to the principals office in hopes to get her in trouble. *sarcasm*

[JurseyRider734]

Obviously you're dumb, so i'm going to make this even easier for you to understand.

My school doesn't have security. It doesn't have police officers, yet, 87 or so percent of the school smokes marijuana outside of school. If it was legalized, we would most likely have to get them.

We're talking about if marijuana was legalized(as you endorse), how many kids would be disrupting the class because they would be stoned off their asses. Incase you didn't notice, a teacher interrupting a lesson to call security IS a distraction to the class.

Now this is where I come to the point that you are truly dumb. I didn't say that the non-druggies are going to complain to their parents, but the druggies themselves. The teacher throws them out, the kids run home complaining that their teacher did so while the parents are unaware that the kid was stoned. The teacher tries to explain to the parents that the kid was stoned, but the kid denies it and denies that he even smokes marijuana. Of course, parents being parents, they will defend their child in any circumstance, even if they know the kid is guilty.


I suggest you stop talking and admit defeat, you're making yourself look like a fucking dumbass.

[QreepyBORIS]

Too bad ADD and ADHD are the exact same thing (according to, oh, my doctor), with the exact same cure. It has to do with various levels of it, or whatever.

I take meds for ADD during the school year. If I didn't it would make almost jackshit difference--I'd only be a little louder, and my life would be way less boring (the medication I take makes everything less fun, and it sucks). It wears off around 7:00 PM, which is when I start doing homework usually. My GPA is someting like 3.9 unadjusted, 3.95 adjusted. I don't try in many advanced classes, either....


So, marijuana. I think legalizing it for medicinal purposes makes sense. Morphine is legal for it, and it can give you a hell of a rush. Some dental injection things can give you massive rushes, as well. One time, my dad's dentist accidentally injected him in a vein with (I forget the chemical. ), and he was practically on a trip for the next hour. Of course, with morphine, it only has that effect on about 20% of the population...the rest of us just feel really, really sick. :P

Marijuana, taken sparingly, won't harm you too much. If you're responsible about it you can get away with it fine. It is possible NOT to be addicted to it. It's called willpower.

[BloodRush]

"If god is all powerful, he can create a rock so big that even He himself can not lift it. However, if He can't lift it, He is not all powerful and if He can lift it, He cannot make a rock big enough so again He is not all powerful."

[Jam930]

Jursey and... skikamukazi... please calm down?
Your schools are kinda specific examples here... we're talking about nationwide or at least an entire state aren't we?


If marijuana was legalized I would imagine it would be made illegal anywhere other than specific smoking areas. Getting high impairs your judgement and can cause a lot of trouble... if at train stations etc., people are just smoking it all the time it would be a disaster.

[JurseyRider734]

Um...yeah, it'll be illegal there, but people will still do it? People under the influence of marijuana are worse than the buzz you get from cigarettes.

[Skikamukazi]

If marijuana was legalized I would imagine it would be made illegal anywhere other than specific smoking areas. Getting high impairs your judgement and can cause a lot of trouble... if at train stations etc., people are just smoking it all the time it would be a disaster.

There we go. If it was legalized, there would obviously be restrictions. Age restrictions, area restrictions, circumstancial restrictions. I seriously doubt it would be legalized for anyone under 17. It woud not be allowed on school grounds, anywhere. Just like regular cigarettes. It would have similar consequences for breaking rules. Get caught with cigarettes on school ground, go to a smoking seminar. Get caught with Herb, Marijuana seminar.

Now this is where I come to the point that you are truly dumb. I didn't say that the non-druggies are going to complain to their parents, but the druggies themselves. The teacher throws them out, the kids run home complaining that their teacher did so while the parents are unaware that the kid was stoned. The teacher tries to explain to the parents that the kid was stoned, but the kid denies it and denies that he even smokes marijuana. Of course, parents being parents, they will defend their child in any circumstance, even if they know the kid is guilty.

Ever heard of a drug test? If the teacher suspects the student is high, or has been high recently, the student will usually be required to take a drug test. And what kind of horrible parents will just believe their teenage child like that? If I had a child, if I believed him/her or not, I would still go try to find the truth.

[JurseyRider734]

Yes, I know that they will get tested for drugs, yet being a parent you always defend what your child does. Any mother would...well...if they're a good mother and don't hate their kid.

[TSAGod]

One of the problems that drugs have is that they are not given a blanket legal or a blanket illegal. When children get them, they have to be secretive. If they could be open, there would be less problems (at least in my crazy world). The drugs are already done now. If the government tried to make it legal, and was the only ones distributing it, it may not even need to tax it or try to make a profit off of it. It could deter people from trying drugs by requiring a license. To earn the license, it would be required to learn about side effects and meet with people who have done the drugs. There are plenty of repentent addicts (or their families) who would support this cause. This would work for all drugs, too, as most drugs have side effects that are long-lasting, and meeting somebody in person would have the impact that would stay in a person's mind.

[The_Q]

However, I think the taxes on substances like marijuana should be very, very high because it needs to balance out how they contribute less to society when they're lying around seeing colors.

Laffer Curve. If you tax it too high the market itself will collapse, the taxes won't make any benefit to the government, and then they'll pump up other taxes in compensation. It's what's starting to happen in cigarettes right now. And they're called sin taxes, by the way.

Skika has the right idea of consuming Marijuana. He knows the costs. He knows the benefits. He views them as greater than the costs. He acts. Note that he is not deciding for anyone else how, when, where and why they would be smoking. Only him. That means that his views don't apply to everyone.

And I could do more economics to prove the huge benefit (only part of the good 50 billion dollars a year we'd make) from legalization but I think I've done enough.

Q

[Jam930]

"Laffer Curve. If you tax it too high the market itself will collapse, the taxes won't make any benefit to the government, and then they'll pump up other taxes in compensation. It's what's starting to happen in cigarettes right now. And they're called sin taxes, by the way. "

Well I think the market for cigarettes is collapsing(I'm taking your word for that) because we all know how bad it is for you.

Marijuana would be far more popular... and if it does collapse... well then so what?... it was a good run.


I think the main thing to be worried about here is that marijuana is a "bridge" drug and if it becomes legal then we will go more for the higher drugs which are still illegal.

[The_Q]

Well I think the market for cigarettes is collapsing(I'm taking your word for that) because we all know how bad it is for you.

Marijuana would be far more popular... and if it does collapse... well then so what?... it was a good run.


I think the main thing to be worried about here is that marijuana is a "bridge" drug and if it becomes legal then we will go more for the higher drugs which are still illegal.

1. The market is crashing because it's becoming too expensive to smoke, not because it's bad for you. The illness caused to a person by smoking remains constant, it doesn't grow (at least to the person smoking) whereas the price does grow. When you add the hightened price to the fact that it is bad (which is obviously a cost) you get fewer people thinking it is worth their time to buy cigarettes. Sure, this is a good health move and great for the government but is it necessarily good for the people?

2. No, marijuana would only appear as popular. It's already been dwarfed by the damage done by smoking (in deaths) per year. If it does collapse it would be only because it was "legalized". I put legalized in parentheses because the government would figure out that the market would eventually collapse if they tax it to death. So really it would only be legal on paper but it wouldn't be anything anybody would buy. Is that really a free market? Is that what we're looking for?

3. Speaking of free markets, if we're going to be legalizing marijuana, we'd likely be legalizing a few other things as well, such as cocaine and heroine. You know, the higher drugs that would still be illegal. They'd then be legal. Allow me to point something out. 6% of all arrests are related to cocaine. That's one of the largest percentages out there. How much money would be saved annually if it were legalized. Keep in mind that legalizing marijuana alone would cause a benefit of tens of billions of dollars and marijuana isn't even the biggest drug market.

So Jam, what really is the main thing to be worried about, again? That people are performing illegal acts or harming themselves? In both cases, wouldn't it be better for the government to repeal restrictions on the individual? I'd say so. Then they wouldn't be commiting crimes because it'd be legal. Either that or the government wouldn't be playing our parent, an act that even our forefathers didn't think the government was for.

Maybe I'm a little passionate about this.

Q