Marijuana

[Skikamukazi]

Anyone who does drugs is a moron. There's no opinion about it.

Question to all of you people that smoke/have smoked pot: When your friends slit your wrists, what do you think about it? What do you say to them? No, I don't care about your answer so don't bother posting it, it's for you and not me. I say that they're fools for harming themselves and you shouldn't slash yourself apart to make yourself feel better.

You may still be wondering, "What does that have to do with anything?" It's the same thing. You're screwing up your body to make yourself feel good, which is a stupid trade. Then I get potheads who at this point pull out a bunch of facts and try to show me that it's good for them, or it doesn't hurt them as bad as other things. Cowards. Is that what you were thinking of when you started? No, all you care about is making yourself high for personal entertainment and now that you're hooked on it you have to justify yourself.

I know people that are permafried, and they're the ones who regret it or will. Your life gets really screwed up once you're this far in, and though I don't speak out of personal experience, I speak out of the experience of those I know. I can't stand seeing people I care about like that. So here's my place in the issue.

Pot shouldn't be legalized. Whine about the economy and criminalization and whatever other crap you want to justify yourself with, but when something's illegal, it gives the impression that it's bad. I'm going to bring up kids now. You're going to say "THERE JUST KIDS LOL WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO DO WIT IT!!" but you're wrong. Kids are people in development. Whatever views they have now they keep until maturity proves otherwise. When kids look around to try to get a grip on what's right and wrong, one of the first places they look is the law. If pot's legal, kids will do it. They will turn into adults, and they will have children who will do it because their parents do it and it's legal. They will cause other children to do it, leaving only the ones who aren't reliant on others views in the end, which are few indeed.

Concerning alcohol in comparison. Before any of you try to say "BUT TOKZIC ALCOHOL IS ILLEGAL FOR CHILDREN BUT LOOK AT ALL OF THEMT HAT DOIT!!! lol moron u so pwned" No, this actually further proves my point. Children look at the law, see that it's illegal for them, but that when they turn eighteen they can do it, therefore it is justified somehow. Eventually they just see it as okay and disregard their age. I will bet 95% of the teenage population sees it like that. However, most of the people who find alcohol perfectly fine find pot completely wrong. I say this out of evidence from people I know, and I know a lot of people. I have my own views independent of anyone else's, and I find alcohol just as bad as pot. I avoid all drugs (yes, even caffiene) to the best of my ability, and I live for entertainment anyway, just in places that don't kill me in the process.

Ahah! Close, but no cigar... Yes, cutting yourself and Smoking Herd are both harmful. No, they are not done for the same reasons.

Marijuana: Mainly used for recreation and general good times.

Cutting yourself: One of the stupidest things in the world. People don't cut themselves to feel good. They cut themselves because they are trying to feel better about themselves. Or, they cut because they need to relieve some stress, and the only way they can do that is by cutting. Either way, cutting is very bad.

I too live for fun in life. I do drink. I do smoke, but very in-frequently. I do not cut myself. But I do not do these things because they supply me with the only fun I can find. I know how to have an exiting life sober. I also know how to have an exiting life when I'm torched off my ass.

I drink only when in a drinking enviroment. Such as a party, club, or at a bar. I smoke only on special occasions. Such as Birthday parties, Halloween, and New Years. I stay sober about 95% if the year. I think that's pretty good. I do not believe people should abuse the use of drugs or alcohol. I believe that if a person can keep control of their life, or function normally, they they should be okay with infrequent use of certain substances.

I know, each time I smoke Marijuana, tha it is slowly destroying my body. I'm okay with that. It is my choice. Anyone who smokes Herb is hurting themself. But not out of depression or sadness, as-in cutting. I agree with you that people who hide behind exuses as to why they use are cowards. I hate those pussies.

I recognize what I do. I accept what it does to me. I know the consequences.

Case-in-point, some of what you say is true, but the bulk of it is not.

I may have left out a few key points to my argument. I will probably be reminded of them whenever you post a reply. Whatever.

[Tokzic]

Ahah! Close, but no cigar... Yes, cutting yourself and Smoking Herd are both harmful. No, they are not done for the same reasons.

It's okay, I didn't want a cigar anyway. As for the rest:

They are done for the same reason - to make yourself feel better. Just because sad people cut and bored people smoke doesn't mean they're different reasons.

I really can't post anything more because you did not present any counter-points beside that. You just said it's fun.

[Skikamukazi]

Good, Cigars are un-healthy.

People who cut themselves rarely do it to feel better. Most do it because they feel they have done something wrong and need to feel the pain to "Punish" themselves.

Yes, Herb is fun.

[JurseyRider734]

Skika, your views are COMPLETELY skewed and off track. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. First you say:

Let them ruin their lives, you shouldn't let it be of your concern. If those kids weren't coming to school stoned, they would find some other way to ruin their education.

You also stated that those kids ruined the atmosphere of school for you? How so? You shouldn't be going to school for the atmosphere, you should be going for an education. No matter how stoned they are, unless they are burning books or blowing smoke in your face, they should not affect your Educational Experience.

Okay, so, constant disruptions in class don't affect my experience? What if the parents don't know that the kid is doing drugs all the time and wonders why the grades are so low? Tons of parents will call and complain to the teachers that they're not doing a good job, regardless of how the teacher teaches. They could be the best teacher in the school, yet the parents complain because their kid is smoking weed all the time and consequently not learning anything. I get held back, and good teachers will possibly be fired. Now tell me, how does THAT not ruin my educational experience? Also, I DO go to school to have a good time. Some people's home situations aren't the greatest, you know, and go to school to be with friends, have fun, and get away from their parents for a few hours. Stoned kids walking around the school like zombies the whole time will ruin school for everyone. The administration will have to set up classes for kids that don't do drugs (probably 5% of the kids).


Then, SECOND you state:

People who cut themselves rarely do it to feel better. Most do it because they feel they have done something wrong and need to feel the pain to "Punish" themselves.

Just when I thought you couldn't get any more dumb. Just incase you were wondering, the reason people "cut" is to turn their emotional pain into physical pain. It comes along with being depressed. They don't do it to "punish" themselves...that's like S&M shit. They DO do it to feel better, and you are an idiot. If you want an article about cutting that I wrote a paper on, here you go, read this and see how COMPLETELY WRONG YOU ARE:

http://kidshealth.org/teen/your_mind/mental_health/cutting.html

Way to be a retard.

[Jam930]

Smoking is a lot worse... and so is alcohol. If something like cigarettes or alcohol came out new today, they absolutely would not allow it.

However, I think the taxes on substances like marijuana should be very, very high because it needs to balance out how they contribute less to society when they're lying around seeing colors.

[Skikamukazi]

It's true, they would not allow them, today if they came out today.

And just so you know, from what I've "learned" Marijuana doesn't make you see colors. Not me, at least. Luckily, I rarely smoke Pot or drink alcohol. And I never somoke cigarettes.

[Jam930]

it was a metaphor


Marijuana is actually pretty bad for your lungs and does cause brain damage... but it won't kill you
If you smoke it while pregnant your child may become severely impaired

oh... and it will decrease men's testosterone and sperm count... watch out


source: mediascop.org

[Skikamukazi]

Luckily, I'm not pregnant... Or a woman.

As for testosterone, I haven't smoked enough to mess with my testosterone. And my Sperm count is fine. I found that out when I got my physical last month.

[-Skooter-]

This is a considerably difficult topic to post on, as it is hard to be bias about.

I believe that in some ways, kids feed off of the fact that they're not supposed to do it, therefore I believe that if it were legalized it would considerably lower the usage. It just wouldn't be that entertaining anymore to the younger generation if it were okay to do it.

On the other hand, I in no way support any type of drug usage, therefore I do not wish for people to use it. This leads me to partially not want it to be legalized.

What if Marijuana were legalized? Would it create more of a usage of a heavier drug simply because they crave to do things they aren't supposed to..? Or would it in fact, lower the usage, and not increase other rates.

While Marijuana, may not be AS BAD as cigarettes, or your common smoke intake, it's still not good. I feel like cigarettes are undoubtedly NOT GOING ANYWHERE therefore to legalize Marijuana would only add to the problem, not lower it in the slightest.

I do believe in people using it for medical reasons, if it is absolutely the only medication they can be presented with to help their conditions.

My opinion is this: I hope that for once, for the warefare of the US, that our government thinks this decision through thouroughly and makes what they honestly consider to be best for EVERYONE happen. I can ask for nothing more than that.

I'm not capable of making the decisions, so I shall sit back and hope that they are.

[dontcareaboutmyid]

you don't have to smoke marijuana to get its effects, by not smoking it you completely take away the lung damaging effects of the co2. You can eat marijuana, if you were really desperate, or you can make tea from marijuana. And I have seen someone make a salad from marijuana, get your high and solve your munchies all in one sitting.

Now to response to this whole cutting issue; don't talk about that which you know nothing of, IE Tokzic. Cutting, before it became associated with other things, was a way for someone to cope that knew no other way, such as other addictions, which is why it gets tied into smoking and drink abuse.

The point is you can't automatically tie smoking, drinking, and cutting together. People can just drink alcohol, people can just smoke, and people can just cut. And people can be moronic, by drinking to purposely get drunk, by smoking right before going to work or driving, by cutting to be cool; if you see any of these kinds of things you're looking at the completely wrong side of each and every issue.

Do I endorse cutting, no I don't, but some people cannot manage without it, and do so with so much control, such as what marijuana when CONTROLLED! (note this key word) can bring. These self harming chemicals and processes are not meant for abuse, for we would die if they were. Try smoking seventeen joints all in a row; you'll be so hopped up you'll run into a bus stark naked while singing something from telletubbies while swatting away flying pink elephants. Try drinking 21 alcoholic beverages in a row; your liver will implode as you swat away pink elephants. Try gashing yourself up and down your body with a rusty chainsaw; you'll contract tetanus, bleed to death, and with the lack of oxygen to the brain, probably be swatting at those damned pink elephants.

The point is to not abuse, I guarantee that there are numerous people that don't abuse alcohol and still have great times using it and not using it. Skikamukazi is a great example. Take for example my grandparents 50th wedding anniversary. Me and my uncles all did shots of tequila. One shot and yet we all grew a little closer not only in that moment, but in all the moments that were shared that night, the majority of which were not alcohol related.

I don't smoke marijuana, but I bet there are a number of people that have and do smoke it and are perfectly fine. I know a father that smoked marijuana throughout his college days and as of today, does not some it anymore, but owns now his fourth house, and is a head chef at a restaurant.

The whole point is to not just look at the abuse cases, for we all know that if you abuse something you're going to get hurt.

Also, statistics can only go so far into explaining things. I can tell you things about fast food, caffeine, energy drink, and a bunch of other things that would implode your brain, but I guarantee you'll still eat fast food on occasion, you'll still drink soda, you'll have your red bull and sobe, and other pleasurable habits. Its these experiences that will should and actually do decide why things are legalized.

Alcohol is legal because it is socially acceptable. While there are thousands of reported accidents with alcohol being involved, thousands more are responsible with their drinking, by giving their keys to their friends, by driving sober and while grabbing a hotel room that's right next to the bar instead of driving home.

The only way marijuana will ever be legalized is if it becomes socially acceptable, and right now, it isn't. It's medically acceptable, sure; that's why people can get medical marijuana, but not socially acceptable.

[Skikamukazi]

If a person wants to smoke Marijuana, most likely they wil go find someone to purchase it from. If they don't they won't. If it is legalized, statistics of Herb Smokers will not increase too much. And people will nt start smoking pot just because it is now legal. Some will, but most will not.

[JurseyRider734]

Looks like my whole post was overlooked.

[Tokzic]

Now to response to this whole cutting issue; don't talk about that which you know nothing of, IE Tokzic. Cutting, before it became associated with other things, was a way for someone to cope that knew no other way, such as other addictions, which is why it gets tied into smoking and drink abuse,... etc. about how cutting is related to substance abuse.

Wow. I mapped it out clear and simple, and my point still went right over your head. I repeat myself:

Question to all of you people that smoke/have smoked pot: When your friends slit your wrists, what do you think about it? What do you say to them? No, I don't care about your answer so don't bother posting it, it's for you and not me. I say that they're fools for harming themselves and you shouldn't slash yourself apart to make yourself feel better.

You may still be wondering, "What does that have to do with anything?" It's the same thing. You're screwing up your body to make yourself feel good, which is a stupid trade.

You may notice now I did not say, "Cutting is related to drug abuse because of depression and stuff and people who cut sometimes do drugs and so... yea," because I tend to make points that are actually related to the topic and not blather on like an idiot. Interpret what you're replying to before you bother in future.

EDIT: Don't worry about it Jursey, they tend to ignore you unless they want to attempt proving you wrong.

[Skikamukazi]

Okay, so, constant disruptions in class don't affect my experience? What if the parents don't know that the kid is doing drugs all the time and wonders why the grades are so low? Tons of parents will call and complain to the teachers that they're not doing a good job, regardless of how the teacher teaches. They could be the best teacher in the school, yet the parents complain because their kid is smoking weed all the time and consequently not learning anything. I get held back, and good teachers will possibly be fired. Now tell me, how does THAT not ruin my educational experience? Also, I DO go to school to have a good time. Some people's home situations aren't the greatest, you know, and go to school to be with friends, have fun, and get away from their parents for a few hours. Stoned kids walking around the school like zombies the whole time will ruin school for everyone. The administration will have to set up classes for kids that don't do drugs (probably 5% of the kids).

Way to take things to the furthest extreme. If you get held back because of something someone else was doing... you need some help. You see, the only way I can think of that happening is if you have a severe case of ADHD. Do you? Apparently so.

Just when I thought you couldn't get any more dumb. Just incase you were wondering, the reason people "cut" is to turn their emotional pain into physical pain. It comes along with being depressed. They don't do it to "punish" themselves...that's like S&M (#$%. They DO do it to feel better, and you are an idiot. If you want an article about cutting that I wrote a paper on, here you go, read this and see how COMPLETELY WRONG YOU ARE:

Apparently, I sent across the wrong message. What I was trying to say is pretty much what you just said. Exept without the whole calling me a retard thing... And not 100% of the cases of people cutting are doing it to make themselves feel better. Some do it, not for S&M Punishment, but punishment as in; I'm a horrible person, I deserve to feel pain.

[Tokzic]

Apparently, I sent across the wrong message. What I was trying to say is pretty much what you just said. Exept without the whole calling me a retard thing... And not 100% of the cases of people cutting are doing it to make themselves feel better. Some do it, not for S&M Punishment, but punishment as in; I'm a horrible person, I deserve to feel pain.

"Bad Dobby, Dobby must be punished!"

Leaving mentally unstable house elves out of this. (Sorry, the HP reference was too good to pass up.)