Young americans = Brainwashed??

[ramonesfan]

99% of the people down here in the south suck.

i live in the south too it sucks balls im in alabama, anyone u see is a redneck(sucks here too because there all rich)
racists/homophobes+money= bad because they're so rich they can do anything if they werent so lazy theyd make our town all straight white people

[fusi0n]

usa rulz canada drulz lolo

what another retarded america vs canada flame war.

[Verruckter]

And it was clearly said that this topic wasen't meant to start a flame war....

Hey let's blame the Americans!!

lol j/k

[The_Q]

Should I declare this post officially dead or are we going to repeat ourselves into oblivion?

Q

[jewpinthethird]

And it was clearly said that this topic wasen't meant to start a flame war....

Hey let's blame the Americans!!

lol j/k

If you are going to blame something, blame something no one can get mad about...like not enough juggling in P.E. I am sure that if children were taught to juggle the world would be a better place because everyone would be too busy juggling to care about stupid things like Holy-Wars.

[Sabina-san]

*Sighs* Yes. We're all brainwashed in some form or another. I'll admit that I'm brainwashed in a way, but I'm not ignorant of what's going on outside my cozy little house where I live with my parents, three sibs, and a dog. I believe that I'm being brainwashed by today's media...being told what to think, how to dress, what music to listen to...hell, that's even re-enforced in high school by the preps and rich snobs who go to my school (Actually, I just graduated last month, so...used to go to my school).

Saying that Americans don't learn about any other country but America is just an ignorant statement. In 9th and tenth grade, we learn about every other place on the planet. We learn absolutely nothing about America unless it has to do with exploration or the world wars. We spend those two years learning about Europe, Asia, Russia, Africa, Latin America, and other nations. Not so much Canada because they're kinda quiet up there, but America is almost completely ignored.

And, you know, there's nothing wrong with feeling pride for your country. Every country has it in some form or another. Look at the Irish and their war with England and...each other. Look at the British and their huge empire where the phrase, "The sun never sets on the British Empire" came from. Look at India, Japan, Russia, Scotland, Germany, Italy, and so many others. At one point (or several) they all thought to be superior to other nations. It's a part of human nature.

As for the slavery thing, don't forget about the British. They had slaves, too. But, as someone already said, that was a different way of thinking back then. And, see how we tried to change it? I admit that we haven't got it totally fixed and perfect, but we're still working on it...at least, for the most part. Right now, it looks like we're taking a huge step backwards with this new amendment that's just been tabled, but I believe that for the most part, we've made progress over the past few decades.

Another thing to think about: other nations brainwash their people, too. Think about it. We're not the only guilty ones. And, not everyone responds to the brainwashing as everyone else does. I know, I like to get all the facts before making a decision. I don't just say, "Oh, I give up! It's too confusing...I'm just gonna believe whatever people tell me or what I read in the tabloids."

Sabina

[Verruckter]

Yeah Russia is pretty good in brainwashing too. Or at least was....

[Sabina-san]

Well, I don't know how it is now. I've never been there.

[The_Q]

How are we brainwashed, though. I hate taking down someone's point, expecially when the wrote so much, but that had nothing on how we're being brainwashed. The only mention was liberal media, which not everyone watches/listens to. Of course, my point was essentially that not everyone got brainwashed, but that could be put as a minority.

In the long run, yes. Every country recognized to have a government and marked boundries is brainwashing it's inhabitants. One major proof of that is the patriotic fight that some people will put up. Many soldiers will die in the name of their country, wanting the best for the already superior. "For King(Queen) and Country" and "Por Dios y Espana" were two slogans of such countries. Because people die for America, they must have been brainwashed as well.

This post was intended to play devil's adovocate on my other post.

Q

[Sabina-san]

That's okay, Q. I reread my post and realized I didn't expand. Thanks for catching that.

Yes. The media is one way we're brainwashed. They slant some of the stories they tell to try and get the public to think a certain way. In fact, this was something we discussed in English. So, here's an example I used.

The media likes to get a rise out of the people, which makes them think a certain way. An excellent case in point is stories involving the police. If the police do something good, like stopping a drug ring by raiding a house, they're hailed as heroes, and everyone feels good.

Where I live, we had a problem with the police and their health benefits. Because they weren't getting any benefits, they decided to protest by putting up a roadblock and checking every car. They were doing their job, but it had another meaning behind it. The media portrayed the police as a nuisance.

Our families brainwash us. I know it's a horrible thing to say, but it's true. My father wants me to think a certain way, so he tries to instill certain morals and ways of thinking so that when it comes to something important like voting, I'll vote for something that's in his favor. Why? Because he wants me to be like him and think like him. He doesn't want me to be a Liberal, Independent, Democrat, or anything else. He wants me to be Republican and think exactly like he thinks.

But, there's a problem with that, and this isn't the topic to get into that.

Like I said, we are all subjected to different forces trying to get us to think a certain way, act a certain way, and dress a certain way...otherwise, we're ridiculed. And, unfortunately, that's what makes being a teenager so hard. At the time when we're trying to identify who we are, we're being forced to be something that maybe we don't want to be.

Sabina

[The_Q]

The only problem with your theory here, even mine from the latter post, is that the first post is correct. As much as we don't realize it, as much as we hate to admit it, as muh of a horror it truely means, we are the last superpower. We have the moral highground as well as the military and economical. If a country gets in our way, we can wipe them off of the face of the Earth without too much effort at all. With power like that, I wouldn't even trust myself with the presidency. How am I supposed to trust Bush, who's already abused the power, or Kerry, who I don't think can handle the power?

And Sabina-san, you're welcome. After rereading, I found my post to be slightly inadequate as well. Again, I apologize.

Q

[aperson]

Also, I was watching Failry Odd Parents when I was in USA (yeah don't ask me what I was doing watching that stupid show...anyways) and I noticed they where talking like if USA was the best country in the world. Actually...they said that it was the best country in the world.

Because god knows the best way to judge a country is by its media.

Seriously. It's the wrongest thing to ever be invented. I've been off it for about a year now and I've never felt better. Think of it this way: When you're planning your evening are you planning around that 9:00 showtime or around your friend's interests?

Around my interests. Only pussies live for their friends' interests.

With the way the American government acts, it's no surprise the citizens think they're the best thing on the planet.

Nice condescending tone, says something ironic about what you think of your own country.

They say they strive for equality, but they've got more racism then some third world countries (but, granted, not as much violence towards them.)

Yep, the KKK sure is alive and kickin' down where I live, they're a pretty group of people.-

One day, when it's too late, we'll ALL realize that colours don't matter, that no country is superior, and that if we want to survive, we'll have to work together. When it's too late.

Yeah, go global communism duder! Oh wait that already failed in several countries and the few that are communist now sure aren't very strong and kicking. You sound like one of those fucking 'let's create a friendly utopia!' idiots who forgot that Sir Thomas More used the word utopia because it means "nowhere"... your little 'everyone holding hands and fighting for a better tomorrow' isn't going to happen.

America i believe is more about itself than most countries. It's not really a bad thing, think about it. They're the only country that still uses the imperial system, their kids are really only taught american history in school, and i'm sure there's all kinds of other things. It's just the way kids are brought up. It's up to them to decide what to think.

So that's why I was in World Geography Freshman year and European History sophomore year? Why in all my high school science classes we've never used the imperial units of measurement? It's a good thing we get to decide what we think; it sure would suck if someone else did all that for us, dumbass.

Brainwashed? Of course. Children, for the most part, mirror their parents.

If Dad is talking about how the "Wetbacks" keep ruining our great country by immigrating across the border and working for less pay, the kid is going to be racist against the Latino People.

If Dad is talking about how the large coperations keep holding down the little man, and how the rainforests need saving, then the kid is going to be a "Leaf-Person" (aka, Tree Hugging Hippy).

If Dad is absent from the dinner table, and mother is too, and the only way the child is to here stories about life is from the TV, then the child will learn that Teenagers have sex 24/7, and Minorities will shoot you.

It is the parent's job to teach them right from wrong. It is the Parent's job to take care of their children.

Simplified, yes, you're correct but it's more complicated than that. If a parents ideas are too radical a child will reject them and do the exact opposite because their innate sense of reason or what society as a whole (society at large generally has a larger sway on children than a parent) has told them works at a level of order above the parent.

America=not brainwashed. We aren't being brainwashed into thinking we are the best. We are, no denying it, the last superpower in the world. We've even passed super, we're into Mega. If some country pisses us off, flick our finger and we can have half of our superb air force and a small chuck of troops over to obliterate the government there. It's too simple. Only problem, which keeps the world at peace right now, is that the government knows it's more profit to trade with your enemies than to conquer them.

You say that like it's a good thing.

Just an FYI, He's 21.

Secondly, LEGO, you're a pretty good example of a bullsh*tter. Go south and ask people where British Columbia is.

Somewhere in Canada. You'd get more wrong answers if you asked where Nunavut was since you're trying to be all cool and holier than thou.

Hell, you could even ask some where Canada is and they wouldn't know.

It's near the Cape of Good Hope rite?

The fact that half (probably not that much, but I'd 20-30%) of your population thinks all cold weather comes from Canada to the US (they're wrong, it's the other way around) and we all live in Igloos and it never gets over 60F, ever

You're stereotyping us like you think we stereotype you, fucking hypocrite. Give me some statistics to back that bullshit up.

can't name our Prime Minister

As soon as he or she plays a pivotal role in world politics I'll care. Last I checked I don't know who the leaders of Germany, The Canary Islands, and Azerbaijan are right now either; o damn I'm a failiure :/

and you think you're educated about all of the world when you don't even know anything about your neighbours to the north. I'd say you're pretty brainwashed. Name things about Asia, Africa, and Europe that the common people wouldn't know.

That the common people wouldn't know? Durr, I think the average American is a common person not a history major in geoglobal events. You just did a fine job of making yourself look like an elitist retard.

Ahem... I've seen more Canadians know about their Geograhy than Americans, and as for Africa, since you Americans where too lazy to do your own work yourself, you had to go and capture poor people and make the work for you for nothing (or almost).

What the fuck. So actions taken by our forefathers well over 300 years ago are now the fault of the current day citizens. I think you forgot that the original explorers in Canada had slaves as well.


I'm done with this idiocy, I'm not going to bother rebutting anything past this.

[Kilgamayan]

Also, I was watching Failry Odd Parents when I was in USA (yeah don't ask me what I was doing watching that stupid show...anyways) and I noticed they where talking like if USA was the best country in the world. Actually...they said that it was the best country in the world.

Why are you taking Fairly Oddparents seriously? WHY?

Hell, you could even ask some where Canada is and they wouldn't know.

Oh, anyone could miss Canada, tucked all the way down there...

[Master_of_PARANOiA]

It's human nature to feel good about your country.


Reason #473 on why humans suck; they have countries/cities/states/blahblahblah.

[The_Q]

Woohoo, now we have a fanatic moron splicing only the parts he doesn't like about our arguments together with his own twisted beliefs trying to make us believe that he's smart enough to stay out of this "idiotic discussion." Go ahead and quote me on that, I quoted him.

Sorry, I'm just slightly pissed. NOW, where do I begin with my rebuttal? No argument? Sure, I'll start there. What next? The fact that he went through both sides of this thing and then into trashing Canada like and ignoramus? Sounds fair enough.

Now the part that makes it personal. How do you think that using trade to keep from nuking everything that frustrates you into nothingness is bad? You profit on more than one count. The world profits. Who loses, besides the man who's country is embargoed?

Whoa. Flame, sorry folks. He just...gahhhh...

Q