Steve Irwin is dead

[lord_carbo]

Re: Steve Irwin is dead

I heard aboat him dying the day it happened. Personally I think somehow he was murdered. Maybe someone placed a raging pstchotic stingray near him. I am not quite sure but I believe it. I mourn for him and his wife and childrens loss of a dad and loving husband. and, the worlds loss of the crocidile hunter. Maybe someday someone will follow in his footsteps with only Steve Irwin's work to guide them. But need they know that no one can replace him. : (

Yeah, I totally agree. I think John F. Kennedy flew by on his alien spaceship and wanted him dead, so he released a swarm of robotic stingrays being controlled by Elvis.

[Tps222]

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Interesting.

First off, I don't feel like this is the appropriate place to debate this, but Neddorn has already stated that in concurance, so no harm there.

One thing I don't like is the harsh rejection of someone's opinion. I realize it's a sensitive topic to a lot of people, but Neddorn wasn't making his death a laughable or joking situation, he was merely using Irwin's death to point out what he believes to be the flaws in today's society. Unfortunately, most of you didn't see that, and took it extremely close to heart over the internet, which is ridiculous.

From the way I interpretted it, Irwin is just a symbol of the corporate world in Neddorn's mind. Making his death as equal as everyone elses, because he was deemed a "sellout" to the seemingly unethical system. While the opinions do vary on if he was a sellout or not, my feelings are mixed. While he did make money off a job that a lot of people worked hard for, and others work hard out without any recognition, he also brought a lot of positive attention to a worthwhile cause, the persevation of wildlife, which he obviously cared more about than the money. Now, I use this same arguement with A-Rod when people say he makes too much money. Would you turn down the money if it was offered to you? I suppose this question depends on a person's moral beilefs, which is fine, but that does not give that person the right to apply their moral beliefs to everyone else. That is ignorant. I don't know too many people who like to be ignorant, and I know Neddorn is completely against it.

Next, I feel the flaming was completely unecessary, and has occured far too often within the last few months of FFR. Whatever happened to the time in which someone would bring up a valid point, and then someone would come and intelligently and maturely rebutt it? Now, it's just "You disagree with my opinion and therefore are wrong, now read my words of anger towards you". I realize this is a sensitive topic, as I have mentioned before, but I don't think that should change the way the discussion should be handled. Immaturity is a direct result of Ignorance my friends.

Now, it may seem like I am a bit biased, because I know the guy in real life, but in all reality he probably just got bored one night, thought of an idea, and ran with it. That doesn't negate the fact that he doesn't mean it though. I respect his opinion, and partially agree with it.

EDIT: Concerning his daily death facts: Just a point to support his statement, and is true. I don't see what the problem is. You're just taking your opinion and using that to call a fact false, the fact is true, but perhaps the idea it supports is not the popular opinion.

[sertman]

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Unfortunately, his opinion had no merit, was stupid, and was completely unnecessary to bring up in a memorial thread (which is what this was). Noone stands up at a funeral and yells "THAT GUY WAS AN ASSHOLE"

He was trolling, and if you troll in topics like this, you're going to get beat down no matter what your opinion is.

Your friend was profoundly ignorant in this thread, and resorted to pointing out grammar mistakes and taking the whole thread completely off topic

Pretty much everyone saw Steve Irwin as an incredibly awesome guy, and noone really cares if he's a sellout.

[sertman]

Re: Steve Irwin is dead

EDIT: Concerning his daily death facts: Just a point to support his statement, and is true. I don't see what the problem is. You're just taking your opinion and using that to call a fact false, the fact is true, but perhaps the idea it supports is not the popular opinion.

That fact had no relevance to the topic at hand. So what if x amount of people die every day?

What your friend was trying to say was that we should care about Steve Irwin the same as we should care about all the other people that died that day.

Maybe if everyone who died that day was an extraordinarily popular TV personality, zoo director, wildlife expert, educational filmmaker, and ****ing crocodile hunter, he'd be right.

[sertman]

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Pretty much everyone saw Steve Irwin as an incredibly awesome guy, and noone really cares if he's a sellout.

So. Let me recap. My opinions right, making yours wrong. Did i get the jist of that?

Your opinion isn't wrong because mine is right. Your opinion was wrong whether or not I had one or not. And if anything, you went about it totally wrong. If you had said something like

"You know, I don't think that his death is as big of a deal as it should be. Maybe we should reexamine our views on who is important" or something like that and we wouldn't be having this discussion on why you're wrong, because that's a legitamite discussion that we could have. We'd take opposing sides, of course, but it wouldn't be the destruction of the thread

[Tps222]

Re: Steve Irwin is dead

Opinions don't have to have merit, they are opinions. Also, don't bring up the topic thing again. He's already told everyone to stop posting in this thread and bring it to another one, so that the people who want to pay their "respects" can do so, and that a logical discussion can carry on. Unfortunately, most of you ignored that. He said so on multiple occasions:

No more responses to any of my posts on this thread please, move the thread, someone get on that. I have to go for a few.

Or no one listen to me and every just keep on rambling on in this "grieving" thread

I appologize to those of you whom are too closed minded to view my argument, however i can respect your asking me to leave this thread.

Would you rather i make a new thread? Its probly a good idea, as you do make a valid point.

Next, he isn't ignorant either. While he did stick to his main arguement, he did agree with other people's points if they were valid. He isn't close minded, like many people on here.

Although, I did seem to notice the fact that he strayed from his main arguement and times and over-used Irwin as a symbol for other problems in the world(obesity was a laughable stretch), which the evidence is obviously weak and just pulled out humorously to try and defend his point. He pointed out one spelling mistake, which was a fail at sarcasm detecting, but you all took it and used it against him with his main case. Please just look at the main arguement. It's not hard, stop letting your irrelative personal beliefs blind your ability to consider someone elses opinions.

[sertman]

Re: Steve Irwin is dead

You gayed up a perfectly good thread.

And the reason we ignored you saying "move it to another thread" because the thread you created was "Stingrays rule"

[Tps222]

Re: Steve Irwin is dead

Bored yet neddorn?

[XBOTZeke]

Re: Steve Irwin is dead

he was killed by a bullray not a stingray

[Sniper911]

Re: Steve Irwin is dead

I freaked out and tripped out when I heard the news.
RIP steve irwin