Coronavirus

[MixMasterLar]

Re: Coronavirus

But it's true. Every government of every country in the world is nitpicking information for their own personal gain. As much as they try to help stop the virus, they still have agendas to push.

I side with LiquidGreen here

I absolutely refuse that countries like America are anywhere near the restraints that China puts on their citizens daily, to the point that this one line argument to try and derail LvsL's point looks....just like that: a one line response to try and derail LvsL's point.

[Funnygurl555]

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so you're censuring china's political system? sure, i agree that china ain't perfect, and they sure as hell misstepped early on. but shutting wuhan down saved a lot of lives and we gotta give 'em credit for how they handled things later on in the outbreak.

this isn't just a "chinese" virus anymore. stop looking to china. the us is the epicenter now, and before it was italy. this is a global issue. most countries are making mistakes

speaking of mistakes though, man fuck the housing system. the homeless are exempt from the shelter in place order BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO SHELTER. so shelter them. give them hand sanitizer. don't make me fucking do it because i don't wanna see old folks die

and shelters aren't real shelter

[TD_Doom]

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Lol well we can already see how much of a hypocrite you are by saying his response is illegitimate solely based on this being his first post on that account. Meanwhile your post was your 2nd, making your remarks very immature and limited to your narrow mindedness, so can anyone reading your comments truly believe such a person that tries to display their dominance in knowledge by making those you’re speaking to feel inferior through your ‘superior’ responses.

Unfortunately I do not live in China, but I have lived there on company grounds for enough time to understand your point of view on this subject. While you insist his ignorance leads him to a false education on the conditions of certain countries, I find it ignorant of you to feel all of western society is equal. When in reality the media is absolutely different dependent on where you are. As China isn’t the only country to restrict their media, not all western countries report with as much clarity as others do and there’s not a single country that reports with 100% accuracy either. And even though there may be more freedoms in internet usage in these western countries, information can be achieved anywhere if you have the means of getting it/gaining access to it. For example China doesn’t have YouTube but their video sharing website similar to YouTube has users that post content from YouTube as their own. Meaning they found a way and acquired those videos in their own ways.

I will agree that the severity of China is much worse than the information given for the public to be aware of (although we were in a city far away, they sent us home early January with mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks upon arrival while we were already under heavy restrictions as it was), but to say other countries, even ones that are better off than others, are always truthfully reporting shows how naive and confident you are. If that makes you feel safe and sleep better every night then no one should take that away from you. Every government has their own agenda. But fortunately enough a lot of these countries are far better off than a lot of outside media makes it to be. Governments need ways to pressure people to follow rules in order for everyone to be on the same page or else these quarantines won’t work! While things certainly are bad (people really are dying and most of the world has been put to a halt), medical supplies and personnel are scarce, there are those (in every country) that don’t follow the rules and put others at risk because they only think of themselves (I have a friend in South Korea that was unfortunately telling/showing my friends and I about going out to bars or going to get togethers which isn’t helping), and so on. There are countries that are doing a great job at handling this but it’s not enough and we all need to stop being selfish and listen for the time being to help this pandemic from growing.

It’s always sad seeing someone make a comment such as “if you respond to me saying (this or that), I have nothing to say to you” shows so little of you. Then again going by your entire response I’m not surprised, but by you being subjected to your own personal thoughts and opinions and the stubbornness to not allow yourself to branch freely from those beliefs is pretty ridiculous. You need to realize there’s a lot more going on in the world regarding this virus than just the severity in China and how China is ruled. It’s already at the point where China isn’t the focal point anymore and it’s these ‘western countries’ that need to get themselves together to start handling this properly.

[MixMasterLar]

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One line is all it takes and from the looks of it, he/she created a conversation amongst many. While we in America may not be controlled in the same way, we are psychologically influenced by our government constantly. Look at how they’ve brought us into a craze towards toilet paper and face masks. Look at how Americans look at Asians now even if they aren’t Chinese. People all around even if they’re Vietnamese, Korean, Japanese are being called out for bringing this ‘Chinese Virus’ over here. Look at Gen-Z and what was going on in Florida a week ago. Students from all around the country went for spring break ignoring everything that was being told. And their response? ‘Oh I didn’t know it would be that bad’... the same thing criminals tell cops when they get caught with drugs ‘Oh I didn’t know that was there.’ Kids and young adults feel invincible and are disregarding to keep clean, wear masks, stay at home (obviously not everyone but huge percentage is). You see comments all the time in social media where people say oh well we still get to drive around here because we don’t have stay at home orders in my state. And what happened in China, what’s happening here in America is happening all around! Other countries are already keeping Americans out because ‘we’ll bring the disease to them’. They already see us as we once saw China.

This kind of got so rambly I legit don't understand your point anymore; Florida example and tangent kind of contradicts the whole "Government/Media controls us" narrative it looked like you where going for.

To indulge much further in this is probably not healthy for the thread anyway

[TD_Doom]

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I absolutely refuse that countries like America are anywhere near the restraints that China puts on their citizens daily, to the point that this one line argument to try and derail LvsL's point looks....just like that: a one line response to try and derail LvsL's point.

One line is all it takes and from the looks of it, he/she created a conversation amongst many. While we in America may not be controlled in the same way, we are psychologically influenced by our government constantly. Look at how they’ve brought us into a craze towards toilet paper and face masks. Look at how Americans look at Asians now even if they aren’t Chinese. People all around even if they’re Vietnamese, Korean, Japanese are being called out for bringing this ‘Chinese Virus’ over here. Look at Gen-Z and what was going on in Florida a week ago. Students from all around the country went for spring break ignoring everything that was being told. And their response? ‘Oh I didn’t know it would be that bad’... the same thing criminals tell cops when they get caught with drugs ‘Oh I didn’t know that was there.’ Kids and young adults feel invincible and are disregarding to keep clean, wear masks, stay at home (obviously not everyone but huge percentage is). You see comments all the time in social media where people say oh well we still get to drive around here because we don’t have stay at home orders in my state. And what happened in China, what’s happening here in America is happening all around! Other countries are already keeping Americans out because ‘we’ll bring the disease to them’. They already see us as we once saw China.

This kind of got so rambly I legit don't understand your point anymore; Florida example and tangent kind of contradicts the whole "Government/Media controls us" narrative it looked like you where going for.

To indulge much further in this is probably not healthy for the thread anyway

I may have wrote too many examples too quickly in response to your post (I didn’t want to double post either) so I just attached it on my older one. If you read the original comment Liquid responded to it didn’t just talk of media or the government being ‘shady’. He mentioned how Chinese people weren’t listening / paying attention to information being given to them in regards to hygiene, face masks and so on. I just related that to how it’s the same here in America with people doing their own thing while all these orders and rules are in place. It doesn’t contradict anything I was just stating things that have and still are happening.

Pretty much it was just simply you refusing to believe America has the restraints / similarities China has and I was just listing examples of how it’s not any different here.

Edit: just separated the posts so they aren’t confusing

[LvsL]

Re: Coronavirus

To all:

Whatever. The point I want to make is, you do not know what really happened to China and how long that virus had been going before it went international, because of how the China government works. It might have been there for half a year, for a month, or even for a year or so etc.

To whoever feeling offended, then let it be it lol.

Edit: After all, you have your opinion. Since the first offensive type post came out, it's time to stop.

[LvsL]

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To indulge much further in this is probably not healthy for the thread anyway

MisMasterLar, you're fine with your post and so as everyone here but just that one person. I am only borrowing your post.

Opposite opinions are fine, but there is a line here that is crossed that covers personal insult to me, that I will not accept. Calling people is different from saying that other people's opinion are wrong. By the way, it's against the rule to do so.
If you want to post in the future, either keep your insults private, or simply quit posting.

If you can't fund a healthy discussion, I will say it direct, butt off. Calling anyone else here and getting yourself all up like this to me or other people is not the way the thread should be.

Otherwise, any discussions can be resumed. But specifically you, the one who called people insult, you should be the one out of this thread. You know who you are. Just give us a favor and quit.

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Back to topic, here was what happened to China and how it spreaded. People there do not put trust on the government, so when there's something happening, they simply won't listen to them. Everyone in China knew they are unreliable, sneaky, and following their orders or advice means they are disadvantaged. Consider that the China Chinese never follow rules in a daily base, it just made things worst. To people in where I live, they are in a sense, are really trouble makers. But we cannot blame them. They just don't have such concept, and they do not understand rules as good as most of us do.

People were scared because their city turned into a virus city, and they ran as fast as they could to other countries, especially those who can afford transport and air tickets etc. They just wanted to "get out of it". That was why they need to be controlled. But consider how so widespread it was already, those who ran brought the virus everywhere to the international countries.

[psychoangel691]

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K so going to step in here and say these recent conversations are not going in a good direction and should be dropped.

Let's try to keep this thread more informational rather than a debate on sensitive topics. A lot of fuck ups have been made and there's no changing that now. Plus many of us are already stressed enough with all of this going on.

Feel free to talk about how you're doing, what's going on in your city and share recent information/developments.

[DossarLX ODI]

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K so going to step in here and say these recent conversations are not going in a good direction and should be dropped.

Let's try to keep this thread more informational rather than a debate on sensitive topics. A lot of fuck ups have been made and there's no changing that now. Plus many of us are already stressed enough with all of this going on.

Feel free to talk about how you're doing, what's going on in your city and share recent information/developments.

Agreed on the informational part. On that note, please be sure to check what state orders are being issued in these times.

On another note, United States citizens should be on the lookout about the coronavirus stimulus checks (an excerpt I quoted below).

Bipartisan legislation passed by the Senate on Wednesday evening — which still must be passed by the House — would provide $1,200 payments to adults with annual incomes up to $75,000, plus another $500 per child. Some Americans earning more than $75,000 would also receive money if they meet certain qualifications outlined below. For most Americans, the money is likely to arrive in April via direct deposit. Mailed checks may take longer.

Who exactly qualifies for a payment? Individuals earning up to $75,000 a year will be eligible for the full $1,200 check. Reduced checks will go out to individuals making up to $99,000 a year (the payment amount falls by $5 for every $100 in income above $75,000).

Married couples are eligible for a $2,400 check as long as their adjusted gross income is under $150,000 a year. Reduced checks, on a sliding scale, will go out to married couples who earn up to $198,000. Married couples also will receive an additional $500 for every child under 17.

People who file as a “head of household” (typically single parents with children) are eligible for a $1,200 check if they earn up to $112,500 a year. Reduced checks on a sliding scale are available for heads of household earning up to $136,500 annually. Heads of household will also receive an additional $500 per child under 17.

Also in Massachusetts, Baker mentioned in his March 25th update that schools are now closed until May 4th. For university students, they should check the latest updates on their university's site as well to see what has changed (such as cancelled events, online classes, closed offices, etc.).

[JohnRedWolf87]

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I'm currently working from home until April 3rd, as all non-essential businesses in Nashville were made to close.
I'm pretty sure it'll get extended before then, or at least I hope so.

My fiancée has an auto-immune disorder, and must not get this virus.

[PriestREA]

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All non-essential businesses have been ordered to close in my province. Everyone at my firm was instructed to work from home until May 1st, but this will likely be extended as officials predict a peak in late April. Despite being able to work from home, our firm has suffered an exceptionally low client acquisition/retention rate, leaving us with no work.

The government reported that a million people signed up for unemployment benefits in the last week alone, so Canada has nearly doubled its original $27bn stimulus package by instead offering $52bn to those affected. Canadians can expect $2,000 a month for the next four months if they've been affected by the virus. Other measures to protect Canadians have been put in place - the government has now ordered that student loan and mortgage repayments be deferred for a six month period, while the provincial government in Alberta (among others) has declared it unlawful to evict a tenant on the basis of non-payment starting April 1st. This is expected to last for the duration of our health emergency.

[Shadow_God_10]

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My airport has shut down all commercial flights effective today. I'm basically getting paid to watch anime.

[Arntonach]

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God seeing so many places do things in response and then hearing how Arizona is not only barely doing anything, but is trying to undo what little it's done. And now there's a tussle over Flagstaff's mayor telling salons to close; not by residents but from mayors of other towns outside of the county.

[gold stinger]

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Had to go to the grocery store again today (the same one that had 2 separate shoplifting attempts in the same visit) and there was still no toilet paper on the shelves over here. Completely barren, except for some napkin serviettes.

Cashiers had gloves, and a blast shield between themselves and customers (those thick plastic shields that are at transit service desks if y'all know what I mean). There's super-imposed limits on all products that people can purchase, per order, per customer, per day.

Completely barren outside. Was diagonal walking across what used to be busy 4-way intersections downtown to get to the grocery store.

[Gundam-Dude]

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I work for a large printing company that has over 70 locations across Canada and currently only about 15 branches remain operational at the moment while all the others have closed, since they're non-essential. I'm currently working at one of the only operational branches right now because it was deemed "essential" by head office, just working reduced hours (7 hour days instead of the usual 8), short-staffed, and being closed from the public.

I've been doing a lot of emergency COVID-19 related printing and design work, although I'm running around like a headless chicken because I have to manage administration, designing, printing, and finishing since my branch is short-staffed (coworkers being in mandatory quarantine and my manager is working from home).

At any day, this could change and head office could order my branch to close its doors, if there's absolutely 0 work coming in. At the moment, it's a day-by-day as most of the closed branches in the area are forwarding their orders to my branch and some days I'm just simply overwhelmed with the amount of work I have to do, and unfortunately I don't have the option of working from home.

My workplace is located in the lobby of a big office building, and every business has closed their doors or shut down. There was actually a confirmed positive case in my building, but I guess the good news to come out of that is that it was a one-time visitor that was only in the building for a couple hours a couple weeks ago. Since then, the property management have taken extensive sanitation measures and currently the building is on lock down from the public, only allowing employees into the building. Still though, that's a scare that's a little too close for comfort, considering I'm still going into the office every weekday for the time being...