Ps3 Vs. 360

[Squeek]

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Lol well obviously you are going for the fun, but in all honesty, the fact that if I want to kamahmaha on DBZ I have to thrust my arms kinda disappoints me. The Wii is essentially a kids play thing. Kids are not kids forever. Give a kid a PS2 or in this case PS3 and they will be much more entertained for more than just a few months. Games will mature along with the kids. As a 16 year old, I know I have not been 'around the block', but I do know what I like in a game, and pointing my remote and looking like a complete idot at the age of 16 is def. NOT what I want to do.

Essentially yes the PS3 is a computer; since you are so into the computer specs and gaming tell me: Where will I find a computer to run Half Life 2 for under $500? You can't. Why make your PS3 or 360 a Linux based computer? Simple: Because it can be done. It is up to the discression of the person for whether or not it will be used accordingly. What can the Wii do?
Make semi-customizable Wii character.
Point and aim a WiiMote.
Play childish games.
News.
Weather.
Online store.

Sounds like the Wii has more computer tech. and home based operations than any other system combined.

PS3 is still my choice here.
The Wii is for kids.
The other 2 are for everyone who enjoys a little bit of adventure without looking like an idiot.

You can get a Dell that'll run Half-Life 2 for $500.

But why would you want to spend $500 for a computer? If you spend $1000, you can get a gaming rig that'll play any PC game. That is, if you know how to shop around.

This rig cost me $1,300. I got it three years ago. I've been able to run every PC game I've ever played (about two dozen) with no problems. You can get the hardware I have in this thing for a quarter of the price I paid for it nowadays.

Oh, so you don't want to point a remote looking like an idiot, but you don't mind tilting your controller around looking like an idiot? I get it!

Also, I don't point my controller around like an idiot. That's how the game is played, so that's how I play it. I only have one game that has silly motion controls and that's WarioWare, which is meant to have silly motion controls. All of my other games are standard play: pointer or sideways. I tell you what, after playing Elebits and Trauma Center, there's NO way either game could be played on a 360, PS3, or PC without losing a lot of its charm.

The PS3 is a computer, eh? I'd absolutely love to see you do all of the operations a computer does. Legally.

What can the Wii do? It can play games! That's all I wanted it to do!

I don't care about Miis, weather, news, Opera browser, or Virtual Console. Not at all. I bought a Wii to play Wii games, and that's all I've ever done on it.

It's a shame that according to you, I'm not able to play any of my games because they're not childish games. Really, I bought them all and I can't do anything! That's such a downer!

The Wii is not for kids. The Wii is for everyone. You know, that "E" rating that means games are designed for everyone? Same concept here! See, unlike you, I know how to have fun without blowing someone's head off in HD. I know how to have fun looking like a fool in front of my friends. And I know how to choose my video game consoles and games.

But hey, whatever man. I said before, if you want to act mature and play games that you're not even supposed to be playing as a 16-year old, go right ahead! I just think it's incredibly immature to stereotype those who enjoy having fun.

[tsugomaru]

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50+ Gb of game storage

Enjoy your two games. I hope you never get bored of them.

~Tsugomaru

[KA0Z R4VR]

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You can get a Dell that'll run Half-Life 2 for $500.

But why would you want to spend $500 for a computer? If you spend $1000, you can get a gaming rig that'll play any PC game. That is, if you know how to shop around.

This rig cost me $1,300. I got it three years ago. I've been able to run every PC game I've ever played (about two dozen) with no problems. You can get the hardware I have in this thing for a quarter of the price I paid for it nowadays.

Oh, so you don't want to point a remote looking like an idiot, but you don't mind tilting your controller around looking like an idiot? I get it!

Also, I don't point my controller around like an idiot. That's how the game is played, so that's how I play it. I only have one game that has silly motion controls and that's WarioWare, which is meant to have silly motion controls. All of my other games are standard play: pointer or sideways. I tell you what, after playing Elebits and Trauma Center, there's NO way either game could be played on a 360, PS3, or PC without losing a lot of its charm.

The PS3 is a computer, eh? I'd absolutely love to see you do all of the operations a computer does. Legally.

What can the Wii do? It can play games! That's all I wanted it to do!

I don't care about Miis, weather, news, Opera browser, or Virtual Console. Not at all. I bought a Wii to play Wii games, and that's all I've ever done on it.

It's a shame that according to you, I'm not able to play any of my games because they're not childish games. Really, I bought them all and I can't do anything! That's such a downer!

The Wii is not for kids. The Wii is for everyone. You know, that "E" rating that means games are designed for everyone? Same concept here! See, unlike you, I know how to have fun without blowing someone's head off in HD. I know how to have fun looking like a fool in front of my friends. And I know how to choose my video game consoles and games.

But hey, whatever man. I said before, if you want to act mature and play games that you're not even supposed to be playing as a 16-year old, go right ahead! I just think it's incredibly immature to stereotype those who enjoy having fun.

Just reading this made me smile.

Dell is overrpiced and we all know you can NOT buy a gaming system from them with out at least hitting $1k.

The pointer, once again is not what I want to use in a gaming system. The PS3 has virtually in depth movement in a more sophistcated style. Sixaxis isn't just a logo. It has also been made to move with the NATURAL movements of a person. Once again, if I wanted to look like an idiot playing WarioWare then I would rather attempt to the the YMCA after being drugged up in the hospital for having a seizure due to the Wii's accesive childish flashy user interface :]

And yes the PS3 is a computer.
The 360 is even more of a computer.
It is basically a sealed low end gaming computer made by who else pther than Microsoft! The leader in computer development!
And It can do it all legally. Maybe not as fast as what our computers can do now, but there is an option under System Settings noted as Install Other OS.
Hmm, now I wonder that means? Oh wait, I got it! Maybe I can add an operating system on here too with the given option LEGALLY! Hooray!

If you bought a Wii for enjoyment then by all means enjoy it. Stick to Mario and all his other friends. Forget all the useless junk they throw in. I encourage you. It doesn't make it more bang for your buck if you don't even intend on using it. Oh well, according to you it does.

Seems to me like the PS3 is selling what it has in store. Media player for music and photos, and a great gaming system. No extra add-ons. Just what I want it to do.

And as for me playing the games I am not supposed to play, I would rather play something intended for a higher level of thinking and maturity, rather than something that is meant to entertain a 10 year old.

[tsugomaru]

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You failed here. I bought my gaming system for $800 and I promise you I can run every game that Squeek has on my computer. In fact, I could rebuild my computer for under $500 right now with better specs since the huge price nerfs on a lot of computer parts out there.

I don't think you understand what "maturity" is. Maturity isn't quitting everything you did as a child.

I can guarantee you that solving the puzzles in any Zelda game presents much more of a challenge than shooting people's heads off. In fact, lots of these "child" games have puzzles not every child should be able to solve, but do.

~Tsugomaru

[KA0Z R4VR]

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You failed here. I bought my gaming system for $800 and I promise you I can run every game that Squeek has on my computer. In fact, I could rebuild my computer for under $500 right now with better specs since the huge price nerfs on a lot of computer parts out there.

I don't think you understand what "maturity" is. Maturity isn't quitting everything you did as a child.

I can guarantee you that solving the puzzles in any Zelda game presents much more of a challenge than shooting people's heads off. In fact, lots of these "child" games have puzzles not every child should be able to solve, but do.

~Tsugomaru

Well here is where you fail. I can guarentee that your Dell is running a 32-bit Intel proccessor. I know for a fact you that you will have frame clips running Half Life 2 full quality. So if you got your $800 computer to run the nice HD games, and you are willing to spend an extra $500 dollars more [$1300] then you are better off buying your self all three systems and keeping your 'at par' computer.

And maturity is not giving up the things as when you were little, but the Zelda puzzles are NOT challenging at all. Maybe because I played those mature games when I was little [like I wasn't supposed to :X] and the heightened sense of maturity has gotten me passed those little riddles. So yeah, I don't like to play shooters from a 360, but spend little, if any, time on a hard RPG which is like Zelda x 3 :]

[EAGAMES]

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So yeah, I don't like to play shooters from a 360, but spend little, if any, time on a hard RPG which is like Zelda x 3 :]

Psh, Zelda is the game! Had me hooked on it till I beat it.

[KA0Z R4VR]

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Psh, Zelda is the game! Had me hooked on it till I beat it.

Oh and I love Zelda. It has been made for the Gamecube and I enjoyed playing the Twilight Princess, without the cost of me paying $250.

If anything, if you like Zelda than your gamecube will work perfectly.

[OmegaMetroid]

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And as for me playing the games I am not supposed to play, I would rather play something intended for a higher level of thinking and maturity, rather than something that is meant to entertain a 10 year old.

Take Advance Wars as an example for this. Clearly meant to entertain a 10 year old cause hey, its like playing with army men, only in a video game. If you have ever actually played through the game you would realize it takes quite a bit of thinking and strategy to pass the hard mode levels. So with your logic, you should play it because it requires a higher level of thinking... but its meant for a 10 year old so you cant play it, yet you still want to cause it requir.... *brain implodes from logical paradox*

Granted that the PS3 might have some more graphical power, that doesn't necessarily make it good though. Just look at Heavenly Sword, great graphics sure, but a poor excuse for a game being a God of War ripoff.

The only thing, at least in my mind, that actually made me say "wow" at the PS3 was for Lair having 7.1 HDMI surround sound. Other than that, meh. A $500 system with not many good games and can play blu-ray even though the majority of people do not really care about blu-ray at all.

[tsugomaru]

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I don't own a Dell, I built my computer myself and I use a 64-bit processor. However, I don't spend any money on buying video games, that's what friends and the Internet is for. Your forgetting there is very little you can play on a system without games.

You solved those puzzles in Zelda because, as you put it, they are simple and I agree. But that still puts it a step up from a mindless kill-all-the-zombie games. Games are not given age-ratings based on their difficulty. "M" rated games will not make you look more mature. Just look at the world right now, a lot of people will state that as long as you play any video game, you are not mature, even less so for those who play "M" rated games.

For now, I'm done with this thread, I've already stated my point and clearly, it's not getting through.

~Tsugomaru

[operationstrawbarry]

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This on going debate seems to be people trying to persuade others whats better, but the fact is, its what you perfer to play. who cares if XBOX360 or the PS3 is a super computers and Wii is more for "kid's" or "everyone" or how else I can put it that won't seem to offend the crap out of everyone because people get to technical. Its what you like to play. If FPS and long RPG's of both 3d and 2d is you're calling card, XBOX 360 is pretty much the way to go. I have one and trust me, its not as bad as all the Xbox360 haters on this thread. PS3 is good to. Just too bad they aren't doing to well, but to be honest, just because it sux now doesn't mean that it will sux in the future. I bet you that when PS3 does blast off, this thread will be read and everyone would understand that the future has not been written yet and hopfully we can all laugh at it. Yes PS3 has a small library of very mediocore games from what I can see, but sony is here to stay people and I doubt that they plan on giving up on games weather how many people say the system sux or what a chart says. I'm not a big fan of the Wii. Yes, the interaction aspect of the system is the reason why the Wii is doing so good against the 360 and the PS3, but to be honest, I just see the Wii as a novelty item: If Wii keeps comming out with the same games and not doing anything eles, the interaction aspect of the system might start getting boring to people. Im just hypothesizing this right now because this is what I see right now and that change is reletive. Wii just has mini games and very loyal charecters like mario and etc... but sooner or later, Wii will only have games such as mario that will be lifting Nintendo up and that wont be enough.

Agree or don't agree with me. I dont care and to be honest, just because the chart says that everyone is buying up one thing doesn't mean its the best. People like diffrent things and its paramount that you know what you like to play and not just what some chart or people that are to good for one system or another.

Very nice debate though that I seen on this thread and a very good question. Unfortunatly, some of the posts on this thread certainly won't be helpful since its just lots of flaming and argueing. Remember that.

Operationstrawbarry

[dezer117]

Bioshock sucks. It is a generic FPS. It has no RPG elements in it at all. It is truly not a great game. It has no replay value whatsoever. AND NO MULTIPLAYER! Come on, it is the year 2007. Gotta have multiplayer. Conclusion: Waste of 60 dollars= money that could have been spent on a nice bag of weed. Source: I have it and beat it.

I have a 360 and yeah i totally agree w/ you! Just wait for halo 3, or get Gears of war, guitar hero. The ps3 is also good but the only game that really stands out for me is Metal gear 4.

In the end its all about games. the ps3 has the most power but it only has really good games and really bad ones, there isnt any in between and the good games list is short. The 360 has plenty of good games especially for this holiday season and so does the wii but it lacks more mature titles. I got a ps3 and 360. however the ps3 has really random features like a web explorer and you can get linux on it which is pretty cool.

[Squeek]

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Alright kaoz. This should be fun.

I'm not a graphicswhore. I'm pretty sure you can tell just by what I've said so far.

So I ask you: is there a reason to run Half-Life 2 on maxed graphics? Does the game change when you lower the resolution? Tell me, did you play as a Mr. Gordon Freeman, shooting headcrabs, Combine, antlions, whatever? I know I did. And I didn't need to run it at 1600x1200 32bit full interpolation anti-aliasing soft shadow to experience the game. Maybe you get off on graphics, but me, I'm a gameplay kinda guy. When I play games, I play them to have fun, not to ogle at how pretty everything is.

I ordered a computer for my sister that had the exact same hardware as my own, except better in some aspects. Dell charged us $700 for this machine. This was a year ago. Those same parts today would cost $500, easily, because that $700 was with new speakers, monitor, keyboard, and mouse, along with the decreasing cost of hardware over time. So yes, you can build a Half-Life 2 ready rig for $500. Next?

Let's see here. Oh, ok. You say I'm wasting Wii's potential.

I'm typing this at my computer and my Wii is literally an arm's reach away from me. Now, tell me. Why would I even bother turning the Wii on to check the weather and news if my computer is right next to it? Tell me! I want to know!

This is also the reason I have no interest in using a video gaming console as a media player, Internet client, communication device, etc. I bought my video gaming console because it's the device I need in order to play video games. I can't understand why people are so obsessed with trying to consolidate everything. Cell-phones these days take video, pictures, play music, play games, browse the web, and a handful of other things. Can't I just have a phone that has a long battery life and makes phone calls? Why can't I? I have a computer that plays video, pictures, music, games, and browses the web. I don't need a watered-down version of my computer to do these things. If I'm away from my computer, then whatever. I can live without technology for one, two, three hours. Heck, I've lived on a desert island for two weeks without any technology whatsoever. I'm pretty certain I'll be OK without it for a while!

Here's a suggestion. Instead of turning your video gaming console into a computer, why not just... use your computer? I mean, a computer is designed to do all these things. You don't have to mess with it in order to make it do these things.

A PS3 will never replace a PC. PCs are fully upgradeable. You can swap hardware in and out. In fact, it's encouraged. You can put anything in your computer that is properly powered and connected without a problem! Do that to your PS3 and you kiss your warranty goodbye.


Oh, but we're coming to the best part. Hence the double line break.

And as for me playing the games I am not supposed to play, I would rather play something intended for a higher level of thinking and maturity, rather than something that is meant to entertain a 10 year old.

Rofl. Lmao.

M-rated games aren't intended for a "higher level of thinking". They're intended for adults who can handle violence and distinguish the difference between a game and reality. That's it. I don't care if you think you're mature enough to play the games. Maybe you are, maybe you aren't. The point is, this ratings board decided that M-rated games are not suitable for children under the age of 17. That doesn't mean you can't handle it. All it means is that the content is overly-violent and is not intended for the average child under the age of 17.

Heck, if you want a game of higher thinking, go buy Brain Age or something. That might help you compose better arguments. Arguments other than the incredibly generic, horrible fallacy that is "nintendo games are for kids".

I cannot believe how many times I've had to say this, but I'm going to keep doing it.

"E for everyone" does not mean it's for kids.

Who is "everyone"? Is this such a difficult concept for you? "Everyone" is ... everyone. It's everybody in the United States as far as the ESRB is concerned. That's a lot of people. Over 300 million, last I checked. Now, Nintendo is making games for 300,000,000 people every time it releases an "E" game. And I live in America, so I'm one of these 300,000,000 people that the game is designed for. So is my mother, my father, my sister, my cousins, my aunts and uncles, my cousin once removed. So are the elderly living in nursing homes. They're a part of "Everyone" too. And so are you. The game was designed for you too.

What about outside the US? Nintendo sells games around the world! These games are not just designed for 300 million people. They're designed for six and a half billion people. That's a lot of people man! If you were to count one person every second non-stop, you couldn't even do it in a lifetime. And yet, Nintendo makes games to cater to all of them. Every one of them! Again, including you.

This isn't just ten-year olds. This is EVERYONE. Hence the name. Just because ten-year olds can play it doesn't mean 85-year olds can't. Or 50-year olds. Or 5-year olds. Or 16-year olds.

Now, I'm pretty certain you're just hiding the fact that it's not "cool" if some kid plays it. Yeah, that's the old high school logic popping through there. I hope you grow out of it. Games are only "cool" if "cool" people play them, right? Makes sense.

But what about when you're home alone with nobody around to judge you. Say, behind a locked bedroom door with the game all to yourself. No windows. Nobody knows what you're doing. Is it still not "cool" even if nobody sees it? Even if you had no idea a child halfway across the world was playing it at the same time.

This is difficult to explain because it's a psychological thing and I've never had professional experience on the subject, so I apologize. Here's an example. I like Linkin Park. Most of the members of this forum flame newbs who like Linkin Park because they're very popular and have many foibles to exploit. As a result, I removed Linkin Park from my playlist that shows up in my signature. I didn't want forumgoers to know that I liked Linkin Park.

However I stopped caring. Other people have no right to tell you what you can and cannot enjoy. They can push and shove and try to get you to change your ways, but it's the weak-willed who will fall to the call of conformity. Anything to fit in. Anything to be "cool", right?

We're way off the subject at this point, but this is the same basic concept. You're only saying Wii games are for kids because your prejudice says so. Your prejudice says so because that's what your friends would want to hear you say if they got wind of this discussion. And you want to please your friends because they're your friends. It's a perfectly human thing. But like I said earlier, nothing out there says you can't live two lives. Fitting in with your friends and enjoying the things that they'd insult others for.

What's wrong with that? If your friends stop liking you because of something so trivial, then they weren't real friends to begin with. I learned that the hard way myself in high school when I lost pretty much every "friend" I had when I let something slip. My true friends stuck with me and have continued to stick with me through it all.

The moral of the story is to decide things for yourself. I'm the kind of person who says something is terrible without even playing it. I mean, in this thread alone, I've said things about PS3 and 360. Heck, I've never even played a PS3 or a 360. Who am I to say anything bad about either? Well, if you look closely, the entire time in this thread, all I did was justify why Wii isn't the sad pathetic crapfest you all take it for. I didn't say the PS3 or the 360 were bad consoles. I didn't say you were stupid for having them. I didn't insult your choice for having them. All I did was justify my own reasons for not having them.

tl;dr: I said things.

[KA0Z R4VR]

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please dont double post. use the edit button.

And as for Squeek, I am compelled to think you are in the CT forums. Am I not trying to provide logical reasoning as in a CT topic, but last time I check, this wasn't PS3 vs. Wii vs. XBOX 360. So, if you want to base your arguement on fallacies or illogical statements, then realize that all you have done is base your arguement on flaming BOTH systems and supporting a system not even included in the topic title.

Once again like I said, XBOX 360 games have been made and almost all the PS3/360 games have been ported from 360 to PS3, so the games aren't being utitlized to the systems specs. Wait it out, and know the facts.

The PS3 has alot more options in the near future.
XBOX seems to have hit it's max, while the PS3 is steady right behind.
Leave it at that.
No more flaming please.

[Squeek]

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Merge'd.

Man I wrote too much. Sorry to anyone who read it.

Edit: hi. Double-edged sword.

PS3 games are moving to 360 just as 360 games are moving to PS3. You can't just leave out this bit of information. That's biased.

The PS3 is a monster to develop a game on. Nobody has coded on that kind of a processor before and it will be a long time before they can fully utilize the hardware. On the other hand, the 360 processor isn't nearly as hard to develop for. Even if they were maxing out the graphical output, it's still pretty enough. Are you not satisfied with graphics the way they are? Do you seriously want more, knowing that there is nowhere else to go? That's right, 1080p is the last step. There is no next step up. Heck, there shouldn't even be a 1080. You cannot distinguish between a picture at 720p and 1080p on your average consumer HDTV. You just can't. Human vision limitations say you can only see 60 lines per arc degree. Unfortunately, that means you can't see 1080 progressive lines. It's impossible. The maximum lies somewhere around 750-800.

Hey, this isn't flaming. A flame is a personal attack on another user. I don't see anything in my post that incites a flame. My post has information, facts, and personal advice from one gamer to another.

And just because the OP didn't suggest wanting a Wii, I've managed to convince others who were on the fence between 360 and PS3 to drop off the fence and get a Wii before. It's not very hard with the information out there. That information is merely a list. A list of games, both released and unreleased for all the consoles. But then again, he might just be a confused teenager who thinks Wii is a kiddie console that only 10-year olds play. I know of someone else who thinks this way too, ignoring the fact that college students, parents, grandparents, even great-grandparents are out there playing one right now.

[BEN.(SPEIRS) 7.5]

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Squeek knows what he's on about. The Wii is the funnest home console since, well, forever. There's only so much you can do with a normal controller. In fact I'd have to say that Nintendo are now the best game company out there - the DS was (and still is) amazing, yet pretty much everyone put it down in reviews. Why? Just because something new comes for a change it seems like it's instantly rejected. I'm looking forward to WHATEVER Nintendo's next console is, as I know it'll be even more innovative than these.

And it's quite funny reading other Sony and Microsoft fanboys taking the piss, because they obviously don't know what they're on about.

Nintendo = fun, good graphics, innovative, family console, virtual console provides loads of fun all the time
Microsoft = too many shooters, too big design, extremely powerful, 'adult' console compared to others
Sony = suck, they stole basically the best bits of Microsoft and Nintendo and made it awful. I only have their consoles for stuff like DDR..