jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

[FictionJunction]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

I guess I shouldn't word-play anymore.

The whole point of the 'why would a human fake a psychic?' was to make a sarcastic comment in regards to the most recent occurrences.

The sole reason I did not believe pntballa was the psychic is because Manticore hinted out that he was a blue player and the pntballa could not be the psychic. If you read the logs I posted, you should know that.
Also, right after pntballa's death, Manticore tells me that he really is the psychic.

This means that one of them was lying. I would have probably believed pntballa if I had not told Manticore about him; however, I did because Manticore and I had formerly formed a 'bond of trust' and I felt I should have. Regardless of that being a good move or not, either manticore or pntballa lied to me, thus resulting in pntballa's death.

[FictionJunction]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

If I wasn't clear..

A HUMAN WOULD NOT FAKE A PSYCHIC.

[kentbball]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

Ok I didn't realize that manticore came out to you before you made that comment.

That post was for shade as well. To show him that I wasn't dead set on killing you

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

Fiction I knew your arrogance would work against you. You finally slipped up and in my mind I am sure you ar a wolf. I was suspicious of the Aim conversation with xero. When you started telling others about pnt being the psychic I became even more worried. What normal human would spread around delicate information like that? I decided you were too suspicious to trust, but I played along with you acting as your ally to see what avail it could provide me.

FikshonJunkshon (3:19:49 PM): he's (xero) a wolf.
FikshonJunkshon (3:19:52 PM): it would be pointless.
FikshonJunkshon (3:20:11 PM): a wolf wouldn't really try to say he's a wolf either, but he seems to be trying to play with reverse psychology
FikshonJunkshon (3:20:33 PM): in an attempt to cover himself. that as a whole seems a tad fishy to me.
DarkManticoreX2 (3:20:49 PM): before I make any desicons on a lynching for the night I want more to develop
FikshonJunkshon (3:21:07 PM): good answer.
DarkManticoreX2 (3:21:14 PM): I can't go off of one Aim convo
FikshonJunkshon (3:21:37 PM): I doubt anyone else has spoken to each other, but we'll see what others say at the thread.
DarkManticoreX2 (3:21:52 PM): yeah
FikshonJunkshon (3:22:09 PM): these are the times where I wish I had a Guardian =(
DarkManticoreX2 (3:22:26 PM): i think everyone wishes they has a guardian
DarkManticoreX2 (3:22:27 PM): lol

Thats from my first conversation with fiction Which was just after he posted the conversation with xero.

FikshonJunkshon (7:35:26 PM): so.. what do you think?
DarkManticoreX2 (7:35:50 PM): im about to post
DarkManticoreX2 (7:35:52 PM): h/o
FikshonJunkshon (7:35:45 PM): ok.
DarkManticoreX2 (7:37:23 PM): k
DarkManticoreX2 (7:37:37 PM): bit of defense for you
DarkManticoreX2 (7:37:54 PM): as well as some of my suspicions
FikshonJunkshon (7:37:56 PM): thank you
FikshonJunkshon (7:38:04 PM): I believe I can trust you
FikshonJunkshon (7:38:07 PM): with some logs.
DarkManticoreX2 (7:38:27 PM): wooo
DarkManticoreX2 (7:38:29 PM): xD
FikshonJunkshon (7:38:22 PM): I am suspicious of pntballa myself.

This was later in the day, after I posted this

To be completly honest, I'm not really worried about fiction being a wolf. He's being way to active and is almost intentionally drawing suspision to himself. That's not something a wolf would do.

Like I said earlier. My bet are that the wolves are just sitting back letting us rip each other apart. Hence the single post by kent, and the single double post by paintballa. I'd be more worried about them then I would be about fiction. If fiction is a wolf, he'll slip up eventually in the shear amounts of his posting.

At this point fiction says he trusts me, but he doesn't know I'm still suspicious of him.

Here's where the interesting part comes in. Because I had his trust I wanted to see If who I was trusting was a wolf or not. So when he told me he had suspicions (at this point I didnt know Pnt had actually told him 100% he was the psychic) about pnt being psychic, I got worried. What normal human would spread around delicate information like that? I decided to pretend being a blue to him. I was planning on sending this log to kent just before the night ended, but nija ended the night early. This was the set up conversation:

FikshonJunkshon (8:18:26 PM): no clue, but Manti, are you a blue? honestly.
FikshonJunkshon (8:18:32 PM): the seer may be dead.. the psychic may be dead.
FikshonJunkshon (8:18:40 PM): I have a possible psychic, though I think he is lying.
FikshonJunkshon (8:19:03 PM): sorry for being abrupt
DarkManticoreX2 (8:19:15 PM): =/
FikshonJunkshon (8:19:10 PM): but I am conversing with pntballa
FikshonJunkshon (8:19:12 PM): as we speak
FikshonJunkshon (8:19:19 PM): and I am highly displeased. =/
FikshonJunkshon (8:19:32 PM): maybe this will instigate you
FikshonJunkshon (8:19:32 PM): merlonifan28: i believe that you, manticore, and someone else are the wolves
DarkManticoreX2 (8:19:48 PM): lol
DarkManticoreX2 (8:20:13 PM): im not a wolf I can tell you that
FikshonJunkshon (8:20:07 PM): I know that.
DarkManticoreX2 (8:20:30 PM): as for anything else wait a night
DarkManticoreX2 (8:21:12 PM): thats as much as I want to say and I still think i might have said too much
FikshonJunkshon (8:21:04 PM): sure. I may be dead by then, though.
FikshonJunkshon (8:21:18 PM): I won't push you more than I have.
FikshonJunkshon (8:25:13 PM): but I can count on you, right?
FikshonJunkshon (8:25:26 PM): we've already been pushed into the same group
FikshonJunkshon (8:25:32 PM): and I believe we are in the same group.
DarkManticoreX2 (8:25:57 PM): you can count on me being human
DarkManticoreX2 (8:26:05 PM): just survive the night
FikshonJunkshon (8:26:07 PM): I need you to help me survive the night

Night 2 then happened, and Pnt died. HE WAS THE REAL PSYCHIC.I decided then that I would come to fiction posing as the psychic and see what he made of that information.

FikshonJunkshon (6:38:30 PM): night two is over
FikshonJunkshon (6:38:30 PM): woah
FikshonJunkshon (6:39:09 PM): ok
DarkManticoreX2 (6:39:55 PM): ew
DarkManticoreX2 (6:40:08 PM): pnt was human
FikshonJunkshon (6:40:17 PM): what are you.
DarkManticoreX2 (6:40:26 PM): h/o
FikshonJunkshon (6:40:41 PM): go talk to your friends. they're online.
DarkManticoreX2 (6:40:49 PM): xero wasnt a wolf
DarkManticoreX2 (6:40:57 PM): 3 left
FikshonJunkshon (6:41:25 PM): are you mtelling me you're a seer?
DarkManticoreX2 (6:41:40 PM): if im telling you 3 wolves are left
FikshonJunkshon (6:41:49 PM): you said you'd tell me who you are after the wolfing
FikshonJunkshon (6:41:53 PM): seeing how we're both alive
DarkManticoreX2 (6:42:00 PM): =/
DarkManticoreX2 (6:42:05 PM): im the psychic
DarkManticoreX2 (6:42:09 PM): we didnt get any
DarkManticoreX2 (6:42:14 PM): there still 3
FikshonJunkshon (6:43:08 PM): PROCESSING INFORMATION.
DarkManticoreX2 (6:43:13 PM): overload?
DarkManticoreX2 (6:43:14 PM): lol
DarkManticoreX2 (6:43:51 PM): same as sc
DarkManticoreX2 (6:44:25 PM): you dont change accounts between battle net games
DarkManticoreX2 (6:44:36 PM): id be the same acc on WC3 if i got it
FikshonJunkshon (6:45:05 PM): why would a human fake a psychic
DarkManticoreX2 (6:45:24 PM): i dont know
DarkManticoreX2 (6:45:50 PM): possibly to lure the wolving?
DarkManticoreX2 (6:46:03 PM): I dont think he'd do that though
FikshonJunkshon (6:46:33 PM): well, we'll see what everyone has to say about it.

Now, There are two ways he could have handeled this info. He could have said ok and etc we would work together to get the wolves. Instead he does a complete 180 and (just like he did with pnt) he leaks the information to everyone. Now everyone thinks that I'm the psychic, what he didn't plan on though was me manipulating him from day 1 to see if he would leak classified information again. Guess what? He did.

FictionJunctionYou've already expressed your lack of care for blues in this game. What human sees blues as easily expendable? Each "blue" that has come to you, real or otherwise, hasn't been shoved out into the open straight into the wolves' mouth?

For the wolves: I am not a blue, I only acted like one to see how fiction would react, doubtless your pissed because I've trapped your biggest link to everything. But still, I am not the seer (only blue left). You've already killed the psychic as several people have been kind enough to notice.

[FictionJunction]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

Putting it lightly, you hinted out to me because you were a blue (just like pntballa did to DDRKID [who then discussed it with kentball])

DarkManticoreX2 (8:20:13 PM): im not a wolf I can tell you that
FikshonJunkshon (8:20:07 PM): I know that.
DarkManticoreX2 (8:20:30 PM): as for anything else wait a night
DarkManticoreX2 (8:21:12 PM): thats as much as I want to say and I still think i might have said too much

My arrogance has made my slip up? All I've posted are the recent events.

Your mentioning of this confused me.
As a wolf, I could have just killed pntballa, no need to spread the word about it. But, since I did, pntballa's death can be blamed on everyone who had the information. This means you're in it, too.

I see no reason as to why people should believe your story is more in touch with reality than mine.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

Your mentioning of this confused me.
As a wolf, I could have just killed pntballa, no need to spread the word about it. But, since I did, pntballa's death can be blamed on everyone who had the information. This means you're in it, too.

Because you've said it youself, ddr also knew pnt was a potential psychic. You weren't the only person to know, but you were the only person to blather it out to everyone. Its an intriguing strategy because it leaves you the ability to throw up a smokescreen against anyone you told. It takes the blame off of you and distributes it amoung several people.

You did it with pnt, now your trying to do it to me. So if I get wolved tonight you can sit back and say "the death is again blamed on everybody that knew about manti being psychic". Which is everybody.

I see through your game fiction. I'm not gonna just sit back and let you get me wolved.

As andross once said; "If I go down I'm taking you with me".

[FictionJunction]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

You weren't the only person to know, but you were the only person to blather it out to everyone.

No, I only told you and thunder.
DDRKID and Kent had their own suspicion of pntballa being a possible blue. Kentball then came to me and asked me about it.

[T3hDDRKid]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

I haven't had time to do more than scan the new information, but I would like to inform everybody that my activing will be somewhat erratic. The suicidal friend I mentioned has taken a turn for the worse. I will be preoccupied trying to keep her alive, and that's easily more important than TWG. However, I will probably find the time to get on one or twice a day, at least.

[T3hDDRKid]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

.. I just checked back here before leaving school, and I'm a perfectionist.. I meant activity*

[HiTheyCallMeGod]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

I'm voting Manticore. The reason is because he said he was the psychic. Then who we now believe to be the real psychic was killed because of manticores actions. Then afterwards he claims he was lying to test fiction? sorry but that just doesn't seem like a human to me.

[T3hDDRKid]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

I most likely will not be able to get online tonight [I'm in school right now.] My vote remains for Fiction. I have always had a suspicion about Fiction, but played along because his stories always seemed to check out. With the recent events, however, it seems more than likely to me that Fiction is a wolf.

[FictionJunction]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

Post 79
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FICTIONJUNCTION VS XERO LYNCHING SESSION.

40 minutes till deadline.

I've said this to a couple people over AIM, but I think this can be said in public as well.


thunderstrike687 (6:41:22 PM): him (pntballa) and shade made such a flip
thunderstrike687 (6:41:40 PM): remember the other night they were arguing for xero being human?
DarkManticoreX2 (6:42:03 PM): yup
DarkManticoreX2 (6:42:10 PM): but that coulda been show
DarkManticoreX2 (6:42:31 PM): or it could be them trying to dissasociate from a fellow wolf
thunderstrike687 (6:42:35 PM): then why kill him?
DarkManticoreX2 (6:42:58 PM): who x3ro?
DarkManticoreX2 (6:43:14 PM): because killing him would strengthen their position.

Pntballa continues to be high on my list of targets. For now though it seems X3ro should be the first wolf (hopefully) to go.

I would like to point out that someone who believes pntballa was a wolf cannot make an incredible 180 degree turn and suddenly say that he was in fact the psychic and trust that the argument would make sense.

If Manticore currently believes that pntballa was the psychic, he is doing it for his own benefit; he's trying to save himself from a lie he made which could now cost him his life.

Not only did he strictly tell me that he 'believed' that pntballa was a wolf, but he also pointed out that suspicion to other players (in this case Thunder). This shows that Thunder and Manticore cannot be related in any shape or form (assuming that the logs are not forged, and I doubt they are). Manticore didn't lie to me to 'test' me; he would have had to lie to everyone else to 'test' them as well seeing how he divulged his suspicion of pntballa being a wolf to other players too. Also, he did know about other people's suspcion of pntballa (those of which knew by pntballa's suggestive manner of speaking: Kentball and DDRKID, and those who were told by me: Thunder and Manticore himself.

[FictionJunction]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

my point is:

People have two choices:
Which story is more believable?

Today's votes show who is affiliated to who and in what manner. Regardless of the fact I die today by a lynch or tonight by a wolfing, the links are going to be shown, and if used correctly, the wolves will die.

[kentbball]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

I'm not really sure who I can trust and who I can't at this moment. I still want to give some people a chance to prove themselves so I'm going to vote jwc for inactiveness. He hasn't said hardly anything. I won't be able to get on anymore tonight or tomorrow due to a basketball tournement. I will probably be on sunday night. I think that some people may be able to prove themselves before the day is over and if I vote for them and they prove themselves, then I won't be able to get back on and change my vote. That is all.

[8Shade8]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

Manticore is my vote. I have no other real reason to believe that he was faking psychic other than he is wolf. I faked to help pntballa out. I voted fikshon cause I thought that his "sacraficing" was wolf work, BUT after a few people AIMd me, and a others wanted fikshon lynched, I decided that it was pretty good proof that fikshon was onto the right people, and whatever he was doing was working. Another person I am watching is you kentbball. You may not have really "wanted" fikshon dead, but you are defending manticore here. It may not be a super defense, but I am still looking at it. Defending someone is wolfy:

kentbball2 (1:29:44 PM): hey
x8Shade8x (1:29:53 PM): supk
entbball2 (1:30:01 PM): not much
kentbball2 (1:30:12 PM): You have a replacement yet?
x8Shade8x (1:30:21 PM): Not yet
x8Shade8x (1:30:25 PM): brb
kentbball2 (1:30:27 PM): ok
x8Shade8x (1:40:55 PM): I understand your theory
x8Shade8x (1:41:07 PM): but fikshon is not wolf, you were not the only one to come to me about her
kentbball2 (1:41:14 PM): ok
kentbball2 (1:41:19 PM): I'm not voting for fiction
kentbball2 (1:41:22 PM): I'm voting for jwc
x8Shade8x (1:41:27 PM): hm
x8Shade8x (1:41:29 PM): reason?
x8Shade8x (1:41:34 PM): Vote dark manticore
kentbball2 (1:41:36 PM): he is way to inactive
kentbball2 (1:41:40 PM): I can't
x8Shade8x (1:41:45 PM): he came out as psychic when he wasn't
kentbball2 (1:41:51 PM): I see his reason behind it
x8Shade8x (1:41:59 PM): I don't
kentbball2 (1:41:59 PM): He also wanted to talk to me before the day ended
x8Shade8x (1:42:07 PM): Why would a human fake psychic?
x8Shade8x (1:42:10 PM): A good quote
kentbball2 (1:42:11 PM): I'm not sure
x8Shade8x (1:42:15 PM): and that is not sarcasm
x8Shade8x (1:42:21 PM): I did it to back up pntballa
x8Shade8x (1:42:30 PM): but he didn't do it for that reason\
kentbball2 (1:42:40 PM): well
kentbball2 (1:42:47 PM): I can't really vote for any of the actives
x8Shade8x (1:42:53 PM): heh
kentbball2 (1:42:56 PM): Because any one of them in my mind has made mistakes
x8Shade8x (1:43:02 PM): Trust me, Manticore is my bet
kentbball2 (1:43:06 PM): and they have covered them up pretty good
x8Shade8x (1:43:09 PM): He made the most
x8Shade8x (1:43:12 PM): true
kentbball2 (1:43:13 PM): I still want to give manticore a chance
x8Shade8x (1:43:18 PM): Ok
kentbball2 (1:43:51 PM): I won't be able to get on tonight so if he miraculously has a good reason, then I don't want to be the one to have the deciding vote against him
kentbball2 (1:44:04 PM): because I couldn't get on and change it
x8Shade8x (1:44:10 PM): Ok
kentbball2 (1:44:17 PM): So I'm just going to vote jwc
x8Shade8x (1:44:19 PM): But vote right ok
kentbball2 (1:44:37 PM): Next day is a whole other day though
kentbball2 (1:44:47 PM): I think that should be the day that manticore leaves