jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

[thunderstrike687]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

Manticore is my vote. I have no other real reason to believe that he was faking psychic other than he is wolf. I faked to help pntballa out. I voted fikshon cause I thought that his "sacraficing" was wolf work, BUT after a few people AIMd me, and a others wanted fikshon lynched, I decided that it was pretty good proof that fikshon was onto the right people, and whatever he was doing was working. Another person I am watching is you kentbball. You may not have really "wanted" fikshon dead, but you are defending manticore here. It may not be a super defense, but I am still looking at it. Defending someone is wolfy:

kentbball2 (1:29:44 PM): hey
x8Shade8x (1:29:53 PM): supk
entbball2 (1:30:01 PM): not much
kentbball2 (1:30:12 PM): You have a replacement yet?
x8Shade8x (1:30:21 PM): Not yet
x8Shade8x (1:30:25 PM): brb
kentbball2 (1:30:27 PM): ok
x8Shade8x (1:40:55 PM): I understand your theory
x8Shade8x (1:41:07 PM): but fikshon is not wolf, you were not the only one to come to me about her
kentbball2 (1:41:14 PM): ok
kentbball2 (1:41:19 PM): I'm not voting for fiction
kentbball2 (1:41:22 PM): I'm voting for jwc
x8Shade8x (1:41:27 PM): hm
x8Shade8x (1:41:29 PM): reason?
x8Shade8x (1:41:34 PM): Vote dark manticore
kentbball2 (1:41:36 PM): he is way to inactive
kentbball2 (1:41:40 PM): I can't
x8Shade8x (1:41:45 PM): he came out as psychic when he wasn't
kentbball2 (1:41:51 PM): I see his reason behind it
x8Shade8x (1:41:59 PM): I don't
kentbball2 (1:41:59 PM): He also wanted to talk to me before the day ended
x8Shade8x (1:42:07 PM): Why would a human fake psychic?
x8Shade8x (1:42:10 PM): A good quote
kentbball2 (1:42:11 PM): I'm not sure
x8Shade8x (1:42:15 PM): and that is not sarcasm
x8Shade8x (1:42:21 PM): I did it to back up pntballa
x8Shade8x (1:42:30 PM): but he didn't do it for that reason\
kentbball2 (1:42:40 PM): well
kentbball2 (1:42:47 PM): I can't really vote for any of the actives
x8Shade8x (1:42:53 PM): heh
kentbball2 (1:42:56 PM): Because any one of them in my mind has made mistakes
x8Shade8x (1:43:02 PM): Trust me, Manticore is my bet
kentbball2 (1:43:06 PM): and they have covered them up pretty good
x8Shade8x (1:43:09 PM): He made the most
x8Shade8x (1:43:12 PM): true
kentbball2 (1:43:13 PM): I still want to give manticore a chance
x8Shade8x (1:43:18 PM): Ok
kentbball2 (1:43:51 PM): I won't be able to get on tonight so if he miraculously has a good reason, then I don't want to be the one to have the deciding vote against him
kentbball2 (1:44:04 PM): because I couldn't get on and change it
x8Shade8x (1:44:10 PM): Ok
kentbball2 (1:44:17 PM): So I'm just going to vote jwc
x8Shade8x (1:44:19 PM): But vote right ok
kentbball2 (1:44:37 PM): Next day is a whole other day though
kentbball2 (1:44:47 PM): I think that should be the day that manticore leaves

I agree with the Manticore vote here. I cannot reasonably assume, under any circumstances, that after the real psychic comes to light especially, that a human would fake a psychic. Kent, by defending Manti, that has put u under the watchful eye of the others. We are watching you.

[thunderstrike687]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

PS quote for /agree and log of convo.

[jwcgator]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

Talk about bandwagoning, but I think there is much more dirt on Fiction than there is on Manticore.

However, don't think i'm not watching you Manticore, you're not exactly the most human player i've observed either :/

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

Here's where the interesting part comes in. Because I had his trust I wanted to see If who I was trusting was a wolf or not. So when he told me he had suspicions (at this point I didnt know Pnt had actually told him 100% he was the psychic) about pnt being psychic, I got worried. What normal human would spread around delicate information like that? I decided to pretend being a blue to him. I was planning on sending this log to kent just before the night ended, but nija ended the night early.

I do not take back my original suspicion of paint being a wolf (even though he was found to not be one). The conversation I had with fiction gave me even more reason to doubt paint was the real psychic. He told me he was "Highly displeased" with paint claiming psychic. My suspicion of Paint faking psychic continued untill kent gave me a log in which Someone (Fiction I think, I'm not at home so i'll post it later). told kent that paint came out to him as being 100% the psychic. I realized right then that my plan had in essance blew up in my face, but I still hold on to what I was originally trying to do.

Fiction is a wolf, my actions may have accidentally gotten the real psychic killed, but fiction's actions would have gotten the psychic killed reguardless of anything I have done.

[FictionJunction]

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Well, I suppose that my argument is somewhat clear.
I am voting Manticore based on the giganormous posts I made which explain all possible reasons for my suspicion against him.
Also, I am FictionJunction, so I must clearly vote against him.

[FictionJunction]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

The only reason I said I was displeased with pntballa was because he kept on pushing the idea of me being a seer, regardless of how many times I told him I am not one. If you want logs for that, I will give them.
Also, your subtle remarks as to pntballa not being the psychic and you faking a possible blue also made me doubt pntballa. In other words, I trusted you over pntballa; that was my mistake. That, however, does not rid the fact that you wanted me to trust you, and that you wanted to make me believe that pntballa was not the psychic.
You confused me.

[FictionJunction]

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That is the only reason pntballa died. That confusion that Manticore bestowed upon me.

[DarkManticoreX2]

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That is the only reason pntballa died. That confusion that Manticore bestowed upon me.

I dont understand this, you tell multiple people that paint is claiming to be the psychic to you and yet you wash your hands of it. How can you be so oblivious that someone you told might be a wolf and he would get killed.

It isn't because I confused you, It's because you had to let others in on it. If he tells you, and you didnt tell me and thunder, there is a very small chance a wolf is involved. When you told me and thunder, you doubled the chances that a wolf would know about paint being a psychic.

I'm at work, I have more to post but it'll have to be saved till later.

[FictionJunction]

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I dont understand this, you tell multiple people that paint is claiming to be the psychic to you and yet you wash your hands of it. How can you be so oblivious that someone you told might be a wolf and he would get killed.

It isn't because I confused you, It's because you had to let others in on it. If he tells you, and you didnt tell me and thunder, there is a very small chance a wolf is involved. When you told me and thunder, you doubled the chances that a wolf would know about paint being a psychic.

I'm at work, I have more to post but it'll have to be saved till later.

I know I told many people that pntballa was the psychic. Go figure that all of those people with the exception of kentball were people who were directly affiliated to pntballa (Shade) and people who are currently voting against you.
That is not a coincidence.

The fact that I told these people that pntballa was the psychic doesn't make you less likely of being the wolf who killed him. Remember, YOU ALSO KNEW ABOUT IT, THEREFORE, YOU'RE ALSO A PART OF THE SUSPECT LIST ALONG WITH ME.

Also: more specifically:

When you told me and thunder, you doubled the chances that a wolf would know about paint being a psychic.

You are saying that either you or thunder are wolves, thus he was killed. Kent and DDRKID found out by themsleves about pntballa being a possible blue. I then afterwards told kent that pntballa was a psychic. I didn't tell ddrkid until he asked about it after pnt's death. You're saying that me and you are possibly affiliated as wolves, and that isn't possible since you're trying to kill me as I am trying to kill you.

The only other 'reasonable' theory you could concoct out that little line would have to be me and thunder as wolves, but I can clear thunder from being a wolf seeing how the only way of him being a wolf is for him to be directly related to you (and viceversa). That is clearly not true seeing as he is voting against you, so the only other likely choice is either you or me being wolves, and I already mentioned above why I cannot be one when put on the scale along with you.

[DarkManticoreX2]

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The fact that I told these people that pntballa was the psychic doesn't make you less likely of being the wolf who killed him. Remember, YOU ALSO KNEW ABOUT IT, THEREFORE, YOU'RE ALSO A PART OF THE SUSPECT LIST ALONG WITH ME.

Dur, I never said I wasn't a part of that list, thats why me and you are the only two being voted on. I'm trying to prove that you are indeed a wolf while I am not.

If I do end up being lynched tonight, and fiction is not wolved I do hope the rest of the humans will seriously consider what I was trying to do because if x3ro wasn't a wolf and I get lynched we can't guess wrong again.

[FictionJunction]

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I know that if the wolves decide not to wolf me tonight, that I will get lynched. But what would make the wolves not want to kill me tonight? They kill me and get a human with ****loads of good information dead, only to continue with the lynching of another human.

Honestly, I could use the same argument against you.

If I do end up being lynched tonight, and Manticore is not wolved I do hope the rest of the humans will seriously consider what I was trying to do because if x3ro wasn't a wolf and I get lynched we can't guess wrong again.

lolwordplay.

[T3hDDRKid]

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[I managed to get online on my friend's 56k modem.]

It seems to me that Fiction has been using a strategy of aggressively attacking people who accuse him. Xero votes for him? Fiction destroys xero. Manticore votes for him? Fiction destroys Manticore [or it's looking that way.] At first I was convinced Fiction was human, but his strategy and several phrases he's said have convinced me that he's human [for example, as in my previous post, "That's where me not trusting pntballa comes in. That's why he is dead." Whaa? While it may have been somewhat stupid, I can see why he would fake psychic to Fiction - something I would never have the guts to do, but it certainly exposed him in my mind. Fiction has been spreading the names of blues all about [and no matter what you say, Fiction, you DID tell me about pntballa the night before his death.] If Fiction is a wolf, he's in wolf heaven right now - people coming to him and claiming to be blues. Why would any real blue actually seek and and contact unseered people? It's simply proclaiming "Hey, wolves! Come and kill me!" Perhaps he thought that he would be safe with Fiction, but he's turned out to be too suspicious in my mind to confide any information with him.

Though I cannot get on AIM tonight to gather information [my friend does not have it], it seems to me that Manticore suspected Fiction from the start. After knowing that he spread about the fact that pntballa was blue, he claimed psychic to see if he would get lynched by Fiction or wolved. Guess what? Fiction's trying to get him lynched now. We do not know for certain that pntballa was blue. That is what he told Fiction, and that is what Fiction told everybody. Mant also told Fiction that he was blue, and Fiction told everybody about that. We have no proof except for pntballa's testimony that he is blue, and the same thing with Manticore. Of course, if Manticore believed that Fiction turned out to be a wolf, he would say he lied about being psychic to avoid being lynched by Fiction/wolved.

Manticore has made few posts, but what ones he has made have been intelligent and helpful, to my mind at least. I am fully convinced, however, that Fiction is a wolf. I hate to lose one of the best humans remaining while a wolf goes free. I just hope that people will listen to my advice instead of bowing to the mass of posts made by Fiction.

[T3hDDRKid]

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Also, one more thought before I go: If I were a wolf, knowing how much information you had, I would have killed you night one, Fiction. From what I've seen and heard from you, you and Manticore were at least as close, if not closer than we were. If Manticore [or even myself, kent, or thunder] were a wolf, don't you think you would be dead by now? If you were a wolf, however, you would of course only have to worry about lynchings, since you would be free of being wolfed. It seems unlikely that who is likely the best player in the game [Fiction] would be passed up in favor of pntballa.

[FictionJunction]

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Also, one more thought before I go: If I were a wolf, knowing how much information you had, I would have killed you night one, Fiction. From what I've seen and heard from you, you and Manticore were at least as close, if not closer than we were. If Manticore [or even myself, kent, or thunder] were a wolf, don't you think you would be dead by now? If you were a wolf, however, you would of course only have to worry about lynchings, since you would be free of being wolfed. It seems unlikely that who is likely the best player in the game [Fiction] would be passed up in favor of pntballa.

No, killing the psychic goes above killing a human with tons of information. Seeing how I convinced people to kill xero via a lynch, the next kill available would be the wolfing. Killing me wouldn't have benefited the wolves as much as killing pntballa seeing how pntballa had Shade as an ally already. Killing the psychic was the better option, in hopes that they could kill me today via a lynch like they are trying to do so now.

[FictionJunction]

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The only point in time you [DDRKID] and I discuss any blue characters is in our third conversation which you had after you spoke to kentball to inform him that you spoke with pntballa and that he gave you reason to believe that he was a blue. I told you that he was a psychic after he had died.

FikshonJunkshon: we moved on to day 2
TheVisualParadox: Oh, good
FikshonJunkshon: check to see what happened, if you havn't seen already.
FikshonJunkshon: You will not be pleased.
FikshonJunkshon: though, I'd understand why.
TheVisualParadox: okay
TheVisualParadox: ...
TheVisualParadox: pntballa.
TheVisualParadox: He was my most likely to be blue
FikshonJunkshon: I was careless; though I couldn't trust him for being equally as careless.
TheVisualParadox: I think I may know who psychic is, though. If I'm correct.. he was seer..
TheVisualParadox: Although people seem to think he's psychic for some reason
TheVisualParadox: Did he claim psychic and I missed it?
FikshonJunkshon: yes.