jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

OK. I'm confused now. I'm basically back to where I started with a couple of Aim logs to keep me company. =/

[FictionJunction]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

I'll have shade and thunder after me, if anyone; possibly DDRKID, too. That much I know.

[vashthestampede0987]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

thunderstrike687: care to not random vote?
thunderstrike687: like an idiot?
pyro31191: Uh
pyro31191: Not a random vote.
thunderstrike687: lol k
pyro31191: You're just gonna be like
thunderstrike687: this is why i havent talked to you.
pyro31191: "hey I'm going to bandwagon and not even give a reason"
thunderstrike687: look do what you want.
thunderstrike687: but you now have given me no reason for me to talk to you ever.
pyro31191: I mean, if you're going to bandwagon, be my guest, but if you're going to do it 4 hours before the day ends then atleast throw in "because i think he's a wolf"
pyro31191: Uh
pyro31191: Why are you getting all emo about this?
thunderstrike687: lol im not
pyro31191: I'm throwing out a simple question for you to answer
pyro31191: and it's not like my vote is set in stone
pyro31191: I can always change it
thunderstrike687: because xero is a wolf
thunderstrike687: and so is pnt.
thunderstrike687: end of story.
pyro31191: And you wanna throw out a 3rd wolf?
pyro31191: Or are we playing a two wolf game?
thunderstrike687: that... is yet to be determined.
thunderstrike687: shade might be too.
pyro31191: Oh alright.
pyro31191: Well, I told you, an explanation in post woulda sufficed.
thunderstrike687: well now you know =D
thunderstrike687: i have no reason to have that go out in the open right now.
thunderstrike687: and if this gets me killed.
thunderstrike687: thats so retarded.
thunderstrike687: congrats.
pyro31191: Just a suggestion.
thunderstrike687: pce. this convo is over.
pyro31191: How would this get you killed?
pyro31191: Wow.
thunderstrike687: if shade logs
thunderstrike687: and changes his vote
pyro31191: Uh
pyro31191: I never said post the entire convo
pyro31191: I said "post a couple lines"
thunderstrike687: do u still have that window open?
thunderstrike687: i closed.
thunderstrike687: by accident.
pyro31191: No.
pyro31191: I closed as well.
thunderstrike687: ****.
thunderstrike687: anyway
thunderstrike687: its not that serious
thunderstrike687: ur vote means nothing
thunderstrike687: with 6 votes for xero
pyro31191: Yeah.
pyro31191: I know
pyro31191: that's why I didn't bother to change it.
thunderstrike687: he should be insta'd
thunderstrike687: but of course
thunderstrike687: only god knows where nija is
pyro31191: Or people who read his away message
pyro31191: >_>
thunderstrike687: its been there for 2 days
pyro31191: Exactly
thunderstrike687: paint is trying to pin me as a wolf now.
thunderstrike687: i wonder why?
pyro31191: Hey, it's not my fault you made that crucial error of not posting a reason to your vote
thunderstrike687: thats not my point.
thunderstrike687: wow.
thunderstrike687: nevermind.

Oh, look, I do have logs. So, Thunder was incredibly defensive the entire time this conversation was happening. It really strikes me as he's trying to hide something and he keeps telling me stuff that he wasn't supposed to let out. And sorry about the absence of timestamps, they didn't save over in my logs for some reason.

[pntballa18]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

Wow, certainly unexpected. Well played guys, well played.

[T3hDDRKid]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

It's not a big deal, I suppose, but doesn't lynch = death post and wolfing = no post?

[vashthestampede0987]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

Doesn't matter, if you died I you should be entitled to a death post rofl.

[8Shade8]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

HEY GUYS!

Why would a human fake a psychic?

We know pntballa is not a wolf since he is dead.

I'll have shade and thunder after me, if anyone; possibly DDRKID, too. That much I know.

Hmph. You stupid ***. Did you think I wouldn't catch you in your game? Of course I would be after you. First of all: He did not fake psychic. Second: I can see right through you. You are wolf. The only person in the world that I told was psychic is you. You were pretty much begging me to not get you lynched. I was told by pntballa to entrust you with that information, which is fine. He wanted to see if he would die. He told me that if he is killed that you are wolf.

More proof? Your insane desire to protect yourself. Setting x3 up, and stuff like that. x3 even wanted to be seered. I also have reason to believe that x3 was human. The only reason I voted him, is because you told me to trust you. I think that you were waiting for more information on who was blue or not, and that you were searching hard. You thought that you just needed a little more time; but I remember when your ears perked up when I mentioned pntballa.

I don't care how much time is left, Fikshon you are wolf.

[FictionJunction]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

My question was purely hypothetical; but go ahead and vote for me.
This is the point min time where I have no choice but to defend myself.

expect a new post from me in a few minutes.

[8Shade8]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

DUDE YOU WERE THE ONE SAYING HE WAS FAKING PSYCHIC TO SET HIM UP:

kentbball2 (7:53:34 PM): Immediatly after pntballa was killed by wolves he posted "HEY GUYS!

Why would a human fake a psychic?

We know pntballa is not a wolf since he is dead."
kentbball2 (7:53:49 PM): although fiction didn't know for sure if pntballa was psychic or not
x8Shade8x (7:54:10 PM): WHAT
kentbball2 (7:54:12 PM): he obviously did think that pntballa was the psychic though because pntballa himself told him and you told him
x8Shade8x (7:54:16 PM): pntballa is dead?
kentbball2 (7:54:18 PM): yesx
8Shade8x (7:54:29 PM): -.-

Hope you don't mind me using our convo kentball.

[8Shade8]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

-.- I take back everything I said for now, it seems that something has come up.

[8Shade8]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

BTW, I am leaving this wednesday, and I wont be playing any longer. Basictraining calls. Nija will get me a replacement.

[T3hDDRKid]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

TheVisualParadox (7:13:59 PM): Did he claim psychic and I missed it?
FikshonJunkshon (7:14:52 PM): yes.
FikshonJunkshon (7:15:01 PM): because he only told me
FikshonJunkshon (7:15:09 PM): and then others were told as well.
FikshonJunkshon (7:15:13 PM): so his death is basically
FikshonJunkshon (7:15:13 PM): my fault.
TheVisualParadox (7:15:45 PM): That's not good
FikshonJunkshon (7:15:52 PM): no, it isn't.
FikshonJunkshon (7:15:55 PM): it's not good for me
FikshonJunkshon (7:15:58 PM): it's not good for the humans

I find this to be a suspicious phrasing. It's not good for me. It's not good for the humans? Why not, "It's not good for us"?

FikshonJunkshon (7:19:43 PM): I covered over 4 different possibilities for tonight's wolfing.
FikshonJunkshon (7:19:47 PM): err
FikshonJunkshon (7:19:48 PM): last ngiht's

What's that? Tonight's wolfing?

FikshonJunkshon (7:20:00 PM): the one I didn't want to happen occured
FikshonJunkshon (7:20:04 PM): but it's the most helpful, too.
TheVisualParadox (7:20:10 PM): helpful in what way?
FikshonJunkshon (7:20:19 PM): that I can now target others.
FikshonJunkshon (7:20:37 PM): according to who else knew about pntballa

The most helpful? As for targeting others, read this:

TheVisualParadox (7:26:31 PM): I'll have shade and thunder after me, if anyone; possibly DDRKID, too.
TheVisualParadox (7:26:36 PM): After you, lynching you?
FikshonJunkshon (7:26:40 PM): yes.
TheVisualParadox (7:27:13 PM): ... I guess it's a possibility. If you knew pntballa was blue, you could have spread it, wolfed him, and "oops, my bad. Shouldn't have told people"

Think about it. Kent and/or pntballa tells Fiction that pntballa is blue. Fiction spreads it around [I know he told several people.] He then wolfs pntballa. He's now saying that one of the people to whom he confided that pntballa is blue must have been the wolf. Or possibly it could have been you, trying to set somebody up?

FikshonJunkshon (7:30:36 PM): it seems the wolves decided not to kill me
FikshonJunkshon (7:30:43 PM): and then not use ontballa's suspicion of me
FikshonJunkshon (7:30:45 PM): to kill him
FikshonJunkshon (7:30:55 PM): which would have been an incredibly better option.

Perhaps you didn't get wolfed because you are one, and you killed pntballa precisely because he was suspicious of you. Check this one out, also:

FikshonJunkshon (7:37:59 PM): shade also changed his vote from me to xero.
FikshonJunkshon (7:38:04 PM): if they were wolves
FikshonJunkshon (7:38:07 PM): shade and pntballa
FikshonJunkshon (7:38:17 PM): they may have been trying to losen up suspicion
FikshonJunkshon (7:38:25 PM): but in reality they were subdued by me.
FikshonJunkshon (7:38:39 PM): this is where me not trusting pntballa comes into play
FikshonJunkshon (7:38:43 PM): that's why he is dead now.

Fiction then goes on to accuse everybody but kentbball and shade [FikshonJunkshon (7:53:45 PM): I didn't mention shade because I think he's too dumb to play a wolf in this situation, etc.], leading me to be aware of those two. He leads me away from his possible involvement, but given the evidence against him, I vote Fiction.

[FictionJunction]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

The game right now is a game of intuition. It always has been a game of intuition; having the seer and the psychic helps, but you cannot fully trust to find them or have them find you. That was the reason I was doubtful as to why pntballa may or may not have been the real psychic.

Here's a list of people who knew that pntballa was the psychic (some of which I distributed myself):

Kentball
DDRKID
Thunder
Manticore

Kent and DDRKID discussed the fact that pntballa may be a blue player. I did not tell them anything until after I received their log.

Here is what they spoke of:

kentbball2 (7:00:12 PM): I guess we're the noobs of this jtwg
TheVisualParadox (7:00:31 PM): Who is this?
kentbball2 (7:00:34 PM): kentbball
TheVisualParadox (7:00:39 PM): Oh
TheVisualParadox (7:00:43 PM): Duh
kentbball2 (7:00:45 PM): lol
kentbball2 (7:00:58 PM): I was just wondering what you were thinking?
kentbball2 (7:01:06 PM): of who to vote?
TheVisualParadox (7:01:18 PM): I'm not quite sure
TheVisualParadox (7:01:31 PM): From the convo Fiction posted, both he and xero seem somewhat suspicious
kentbball2 (7:01:31 PM): the target is definatly on X3R0 or fiction
kentbball2 (7:01:35 PM): ya
kentbball2 (7:01:52 PM): fiction must've been quite confident to have posted the convo
TheVisualParadox (7:01:59 PM): I know that they wouldn't fake something like that, because it's just casting unnecessary attention on themselves, which a wolf wouldn't do
TheVisualParadox (7:02:08 PM): I know that one of them is a wolf, but I don't know who
kentbball2 (7:02:19 PM): I'm pinning more on X3R0
kentbball2 (7:02:36 PM): Although Fiction has posted a lot...
kentbball2 (7:03:02 PM): and he has been very defensive of him being a wolf
TheVisualParadox (7:04:23 PM): [sorry I'm being slow, I'm talking to several people]
TheVisualParadox (7:04:36 PM): Well, pntballa has been talking to me
TheVisualParadox (7:04:40 PM): Here's a quote
kentbball2 (7:04:45 PM): ok
TheVisualParadox (7:04:49 PM): merlonifan28: but with what i said before, i do believe that fictiong is not a wolf
merlonifan28: but if i die tonight, he is a wolf
TheVisualParadox (7:05:15 PM): He says he has "reasons" that we won't tell me until he's sure I'm human why fiction is a wolf if he's killed
kentbball2 (7:05:28 PM): well that's dumb
kentbball2 (7:05:41 PM): why would he even tell you that in the first place
kentbball2 (7:05:45 PM): that just puts suspicion on him
TheVisualParadox (7:05:58 PM): I don't know
TheVisualParadox (7:06:24 PM): So apparently he believes xero is wolf, unless he gets killed, in which case he says to lynch Fiction
kentbball2 (7:06:59 PM): Maybe he came out to being the seer or psychic to fiction
kentbball2 (7:07:15 PM): because he totally trusted him
kentbball2 (7:07:50 PM): and he won't tell you because if you are a wolf, then you would just kill him
TheVisualParadox (7:08:20 PM): Yeah
TheVisualParadox (7:08:31 PM): Although I'd prefer not talking about who may be blues until I'm sure you're not wolf
TheVisualParadox (7:08:51 PM): I hope I get seered and put in the alliance
kentbball2 (7:09:35 PM): That's understandable
kentbball2 (7:10:07 PM): I don't think you will get seered very soon though
kentbball2 (7:10:30 PM): I think the first people to get seered will definatly be fiction and X3R0
TheVisualParadox (7:10:44 PM): Yeah
TheVisualParadox (7:11:28 PM): but it seems to me that one of them will get lynched, and if that one was the wolf, the other will be wolfed
TheVisualParadox (7:11:44 PM): Or if they hit the human and not the wolf, the wolves will kill somebody else
kentbball2 (7:12:34 PM): but the other one would be seered as a wolf and the seer would have to come out to everybody to get that wolf out of the game
kentbball2 (7:12:46 PM): if the latter happens
TheVisualParadox (7:14:02 PM): The seer doesn't need to come out
kentbball2 (7:14:10 PM): if he seers a wolf he will
TheVisualParadox (7:14:14 PM): An aggressive accusation would work
kentbball2 (7:14:29 PM): that would put suspicion on him
TheVisualParadox (7:14:39 PM): Not as much as if he came out
TheVisualParadox (7:14:44 PM): He'd get wolfed, game over
kentbball2 (7:14:51 PM): People despise aggressive accusations without proof
kentbball2 (7:16:00 PM): I guess what would be the best thing to do is to wait untill a few more days and then tell somebody that you seered somebody as a wolf
kentbball2 (7:16:02 PM): but i have to go
kentbball2 (7:16:03 PM): cya

This shows how pntballa divulged the idea of him being a blue; I did not tell them any of this. The chances of pntballa being a blue, and the chances of both DDRKID and Kent of assuming (with viable proof) that pntballa is a blue were incredibly high.

Thunder knew about pntballa being a psychic because I told him. It functioned as blackmail, and he naturally and expectedly got angry.

[FictionJunction]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

Here's the log for that:

FikshonJunkshon: Merlinofan28 may be pulling off a psychic.
FikshonJunkshon: but I am not sure.
thunderstrike687: what leads u to believe that?
FikshonJunkshon: he came to me saying that he is.
FikshonJunkshon: yet he avoids all quesitons regarding the killing of someone else
FikshonJunkshon: he would lynch if there was more evidence
FikshonJunkshon: just like everyone else
FikshonJunkshon: but he suspects me being a wolf
FikshonJunkshon: here's the exact quote
FikshonJunkshon: FikshonJunkshon: then who are you more suspcious of being a wolf?
merlonifan28: honestly, you
merlonifan28: but i've already told you i am the psychic
merlonifan28: there is nothing i can do about that now
merlonifan28: so i'm just going with my first assumption that you are not a wolf
FikshonJunkshon: he wishes me to seer him tomorrow (he believes I am the seer)
FikshonJunkshon: but I can't
FikshonJunkshon: so I will die tonight.
thunderstrike687: if hes the psychic
thunderstrike687: how do u die?
FikshonJunkshon: onn the assumption he's a wolf faking a psychic.
thunderstrike687: hes either a wolf or faking
FikshonJunkshon: he strictly believes I am the seer.
thunderstrike687: well if u die
thunderstrike687: then we can make assumptions against him
FikshonJunkshon: I suppose, but if he dies, there can assumptions against you.
FikshonJunkshon: if this conversation makes it out.
thunderstrike687: u have no motive but do what u want
FikshonJunkshon: I know I don't.
thunderstrike687: then why bring it up?
FikshonJunkshon: because I told you something that I am not entirely sure of.
FikshonJunkshon: also
FikshonJunkshon: he and tehddrkid are speaking about me being a wolf
FikshonJunkshon: I still am on the spotlight
FikshonJunkshon: this is not good =/
thunderstrike687: then the only point of putting this cnvo up
thunderstrike687: is to get me killed

pntballa strictly believed that I am the seer. I am not the seer.
The only reason I did not trust pntballa was because Manticore gave me information to make me doubt pntballa.

Here is the specific conversation with Manticore:
FikshonJunkshon: pntballa is pretending to be a psychic. imo.
FikshonJunkshon: though he does not know
FikshonJunkshon: that thunder and you know this.
FikshonJunkshon: I'm really questioning him.
DarkManticoreX2: i think ill keep that on the dl for now
*then we discuss kent's position as a human or a wolf (if you want that piece I'll give it to you individually and more information, but it isn't relevant to my defense at the moment so I'll cut it)*
FikshonJunkshon: no clue, but Manti, are you a blue? honestly.
FikshonJunkshon: the seer may be dead.. the psychic may be dead.
FikshonJunkshon: I have a possible psychic, though I think he is lying.
FikshonJunkshon: sorry for being abrupt
DarkManticoreX2: =/
FikshonJunkshon: but I am conversing with pntballa
FikshonJunkshon: as we speak
FikshonJunkshon: and I am highly displeased. =/
FikshonJunkshon: maybe this will instigate you
FikshonJunkshon: merlonifan28: i believe that you, manticore, and someone else are the wolves
DarkManticoreX2: lol
DarkManticoreX2: im not a wolf I can tell you that
FikshonJunkshon: I know that.
DarkManticoreX2: as for anything else wait a night
DarkManticoreX2: thats as much as I want to say and I still think i might have said too much
FikshonJunkshon: sure. I may be dead by then, though.
FikshonJunkshon: I won't push you more than I have.
FikshonJunkshon: but I can count on you, right?
FikshonJunkshon: we've already been pushed into the same group
FikshonJunkshon: and I believe we are in the same group.
DarkManticoreX2: you can count on me being human
DarkManticoreX2: just survive the night

so, by this point xero is lynched due to me convincing shade, kent, and others.

Night approaches and I am terrified since there are many possibilities as to what may happen.. and I had no control over what was going to happen.
In the end, pntballa died.

That puts thunder, kent, ddrkid, manticore, and myself under suspicion because we were the ONLY ONE'S who knew about pntballa being a psychic or just a blue. (the only one who didn't know what pntballa was exactly was DDRKID). In my eyes shade is cleared from any suspicion for the time being because he and pntballa were two in one. They were a team. Now that my actions have killed the only two people he could ever classify as allies are dead, he clearly wants me dead for it. I am not surprised. I even stated it in my last post.

Now, more things happen.

[FictionJunction]

Re: jTWG XXII- Who let these guys play?!

Thunder is obviously worried and mentioned that he had to change his strategy and whatnot; in other words, he can't trust me as much as he did before when I was trying to lose all suspicion against me being a wolf during the FICTIONJUNCTION vs XERO LYNCHING session.

Manticore and I speak some more.
(This conversation takes place between NIGHT TWO and DAY TWO)
The day one section of the conversation is basically me saying who I suspect of being what, etc; I will type my thoughts on everyone further down the post.
Somewhere along the line I get confused and say he is the seer (I was processing too much information..) but that isn't the case at all apparently:

FikshonJunkshon: night two is over
FikshonJunkshon: woah
FikshonJunkshon: ok
DarkManticoreX2: ew
DarkManticoreX2: pnt was human
FikshonJunkshon: what are you.
DarkManticoreX2: h/o
FikshonJunkshon: go talk to your friends. they're online.
DarkManticoreX2: xero wasnt a wolf
DarkManticoreX2: 3 left
FikshonJunkshon: are you mtelling me you're a seer?
DarkManticoreX2: if im telling you 3 wolves are left
FikshonJunkshon: you said you'd tell me who you are after the wolfing
FikshonJunkshon: seeing how we're both alive
DarkManticoreX2: =/
DarkManticoreX2: im the psychic
DarkManticoreX2: we didnt get any
DarkManticoreX2: there still 3
FikshonJunkshon: PROCESSING INFORMATION.
DarkManticoreX2: overload?
DarkManticoreX2: lol
DarkManticoreX2: same as sc
DarkManticoreX2: you dont change accounts between battle net games
DarkManticoreX2: id be the same acc on WC3 if i got it
FikshonJunkshon: why would a human fake a psychic
DarkManticoreX2: i dont know
DarkManticoreX2: possibly to lure the wolving?
DarkManticoreX2: I dont think he'd do that though
FikshonJunkshon: well, we'll see what everyone has to say about it.
DarkManticoreX2: I am very confused now I have to rethink my whole basis on who are wolves now
DarkManticoreX2: hers an idea
FikshonJunkshon: shoot.
DarkManticoreX2: what if he just wanted to be seered to be put into the alliance
DarkManticoreX2: that way he doesn't have to worry about being lynched
DarkManticoreX2: much*
FikshonJunkshon: a normal human wouldn't throw himself like that out in the open like I have
FikshonJunkshon: why do you think peoplethought I was the seer
FikshonJunkshon: or a blue?
FikshonJunkshon: because, I, being a normal human, did it.
DarkManticoreX2: still though, I can't think of a better way to call for a seering than to claim to be a blue
FikshonJunkshon: a humann doesn't look for the seer
FikshonJunkshon: the seer looks for the humans.
FikshonJunkshon: especially with no cardflipping.
DarkManticoreX2: you know that, but what if he was trying to just get added
DarkManticoreX2: I keep watching spidy dance
DarkManticoreX2: lol
DarkManticoreX2: \

Apparently, he is a psychic.

IF I ALREADY SACRIFICED A PSYCHIC THEN THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM SACRIFICING THIS ONE. CLEARLY, ONE IS/WAS LYING, AND FOR ALL WE KNOW THE SEER IS ALREADY DEAD. THE GAME IS NOW ABOUT INTUITION.
I SEE NO REASON WHY I SHOULD WITHHOLD POSTING THAT INFORMATION NOW.

Now, here is my diagram (I've explained this to others as well).

At first there were TWO MAIN GROUPS (for people who could be wolves in my brain)

GROUP A) shade, xero, pntballa
GROUP B) Manticore/thunder
---
GROUP C) Inactives (Vash, jwc, HiThey) [not so important for now]

EVENT ONE: XERO DIES.

Group A) pntballa and shade.
Group B) Manticore and thunder

EVENT TWO: pntballa tells me he is the psychic
SUB-EVENT A) I tell manticore.
SUB-EVENT B) I tell thunder (blackmail) and gets angry at me for it.