MA/PA/GA

[Munsie]

Aight so Gilly and I were talking about this and we're not sure what's proper. I'm gonna guess this goes back as far as Nima's first pass on Emerald Sword, so help me out.

When somebody says "Midare, have really good MA."
Do they mean Midare hits lots of marvelouses.
Or Midare hits very few perfects?

Same with PA, lots of perfects or very few greats?
Does PA simply mean the number of perfects you get?

I've always known it as 'few perfects/few greats' but Gilly knows it as 'lots of marvs/lots of perfs'

Please enlighten us.

[Adamaja456]

Re: MA/PA/GA

well PA stands for Perfect Accuracy so i would assume when someone says "nice pa" they are referring to your number of perfects and not the small amount of goods

[Munsie]

Re: MA/PA/GA

The 'A' is actually 'Attack.' Marvelous Attack, Perfect Attack, etc.

[dragonmegaXX]

Re: MA/PA/GA

Its kind of both,
Its kind of like a ratio, like maybe 100:1 (marv : perf) or(perf : greats)

Like, exaggerated numbers, but if you had 3000 marvels but 2000 perfects, you may have gotten an ass load of marvels but its not good MA.

on the other hand if you have like 1500 marvels and 5 or 6 perfects, thats great MA.

Get it?

[Munsie]

Re: MA/PA/GA

I get how it works, yea, we were just trying to define it better.. The part that got Gilly and I going in the first place was...

Gilly -> says:
first two times I got 30s PA
Gilly -> says:
Now I have trouble DDPing

Since what I would think basically is that 30s PA would be 30 greats. ~_~

I asked tsutter about it and he kind of cleared it up;

Munsie says:
Is it actually both? Or is "improve your MA" a definite "hit more marvs" or "hit less perfs"?
[email protected] says:
what people probably mean is hit less perfs
[email protected] says:
but the definition is hitting more marvs

We were both wrong/right. Maybe?

[dragonmegaXX]

Re: MA/PA/GA

Hit more marvs and hit less perfs -.-"
Its both :]

[~Zero~]

Re: MA/PA/GA

The 'A' is actually 'Attack.' Marvelous Attack, Perfect Attack, etc.

I will never believe this lol, accuracy just seems to make more sense.

[Munsie]

Re: MA/PA/GA

Munsie says:
Accuracy, eh?
Gilly -> says:
It's attack, but he's an FFR'er

We sort of tossed that idea around as well.. MA on FFR focuses on Marvelous count while ODI focuses on Perf count. Just an observation. FFR vs ODI gogo.

[p4rty_b0y]

Re: MA/PA/GA

I will never believe this lol, accuracy just seems to make more sense.

I agree with Zero.. Attack just sounds ****ing stupid...

[PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR]

Re: MA/PA/GA

I've always considered it a ratio kind of thing.

Considering the total number of notes, the number of notes hit:number of notes hit. (ie 100:10:1) But, at the same time, I try to take into account the song and the notes from the song, assuming that I know it, and base part of this generalization on how hard the actual notes are.

Therefore a score of 100:10:1 on Death Piano would be much better than 100:10:1 Caprice even though both would have the same ratios (note, those scores would not match up like that, for this to work the songs would need to have very similar arrow counts. I chose these two songs because one is challenging whilst the other is extremely difficult)

But yeah, I might as well use this analogy simply because its on my mind right now, but its a lot like a blind man in an orgy, you gotta feel your way around.

[Gilly G]

Re: MA/PA/GA

The thing that bothers me the most is actually how people use these rerms rather than definitions (although they would be useful).

Someone gets a 30 perfect AAA on a song. Would they comment having said they got good MA or good PA?

A person gets a 900m, 100p AAA score
Another person gets a 850m, 100p, 50g score on the same song

Logically, with these two scores, I would want to say that person B got worse MA, same PA and worse GA.

[Munsie]

Re: MA/PA/GA

Since the beginning of Stepmania it's been attack. Never once before today have I heard it been called "Perfect Accuracy." >_>

PsYcHo, the ratio thing is probably an accurate middle ground. I guess the question is who was the first person to say "nice MA" and what were they thinking.


eDiT;

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f52/wooksss/oldnew/screen01769.jpg

****ty PA on higan, otherwise good stuff

(Source thread.)

Very low perfect count, but still bad PA.

And uh, to quote Hayden.

nedyaHGluck: why would it be lots of marvs
nedyaHGluck: that doesnt make sense
nedyaHGluck: few perfects implies you got the majority marvs
nedyaHGluck: which means you got good ma
nedyaHGluck: lots of marvs doesn't necessarily mean you got few perfs
nedyaHGluck: thus few perfs makes more sense


Just trying to back up my side of this argument a little bit more.

[~Zero~]

Re: MA/PA/GA

Since when does anyone use GA or PA. The only time PA is used is for FFR because there isn't any marvelous rating. For stepmania, they usually just say bad Ma or good Ma they don't really bother mentioning PA or GA.

I believe the phrase PA began with DDR, so it eventually just transferred over into the stepmania lingo along with MA.

[Munsie]

Re: MA/PA/GA

Plenty of people use PA to describe Stepmania scores. If you got 1000/200/200 on any given Stepmania song somebody would tell you that was dumpy PA.

And yea, I'm guessing PA started with DDR... Back in 2001 or something. MA is just an adaptation of PA.

[haydenwho]

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well PA stands for Perfect Accuracy so i would assume when someone says "nice pa" they are referring to your number of perfects and not the small amount of goods

wrong, PA stands for perfect attack. and the implication is you get few greats, so you must have good PA.

Its kind of both,
Its kind of like a ratio, like maybe 100:1 (marv : perf) or(perf : greats)

Like, exaggerated numbers, but if you had 3000 marvels but 2000 perfects, you may have gotten an ass load of marvels but its not good MA.

on the other hand if you have like 1500 marvels and 5 or 6 perfects, thats great MA.

Get it?

which kind of proves my point

I will never believe this lol, accuracy just seems to make more sense.

yeah well, you don't know the history of the term.

I agree with Zero.. Attack just sounds ****ing stupid...

neither do you