MAX Forever [8 or 9]

[popsicle_3000]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

I vote to make this a 9.
This was one of my last 8s to FC, after years of playing it. yes, the patterns are easy, and I can get very good PA in those now, but the thrills make it much much harder. The stamina it takes to play for 5min and then do one-handed thrills... I'm a mid/high D2 player and my best is around a 87-x-0-x

[rayword45]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

Similar to World Tour 2004 (which never passes 10 level IMO) this song simply requires too much consistency to PA to remain an 8. It's very easy to teen/SDG, but incredibly tedious to AAA for an 8.

[igotrhythm]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

Max Forever is a lot of 10 NPS stream. Sustaining 10 note per second runs isn't common in level 8 charts, especially with runs of that length.

Personally, it can go either way, but I'd much rather see it as a 9 simply for length (although, this is somewhat of a hypocritical opinion, considering Blue Army is well over 5 minutes and has a ton of streaming...).

I had more issues with the 32nd bursts and the jumpspam at the very end when I was still going for the FC on this. Still, HST's cut version of this on F4 is a heck of a lot more stamina-draining due to 30-40 seconds of straight 12 nps stream going into two long one-handed trills ending in a minijack.

Back on topic, 10 nps really isn't an issue to stay consistent on for a lot of people until you get to the long trills in the ending, and there also aren't any minijacks that I can recall. I think the main issue here is that while we all agree the patterns are 8, the sheer stamina and consistency required just to SDG are what push it towards Challenging. Since those are demands on the player rather than anything native to the file, however, I'll vote 8.

[Erik542]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

I believe it to be a 9, simply because length does matter. What's the difference between a burst and a roll? The fact that you only do it once. The longer a pattern has to be maintained, the harder it is. A 50 note trill is harder than a 10 note trill. If you say that length doesn't matter, then I could simply whip up a file which is simply Max Forever played 5 times back to back with identical stepping. I doubt such a file would remain an 8.

[nois-or-e]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

I can't understand how anyone could consider this a 9. It is slow, easy and rather boring. Long? Yes. Hard? No.

The trills can be a pain to some, but they are slow, easy trills. The stream is slow and easy, Harry potter stream is harder to AAA imo.

Have to agree with stavie in that it is sort of cemented in as the hardest 8.

[rayword45]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

The way I see it, it goes down to this.

8 (Mostly lower-end players): The song is incredibly simple with literally no difficult patterns.

9 (Mostly higher-end): The song is too ****in long and requires assloads of consistency.

So basically, those going for an FC, high 8. AAA, Mid-high 9 (or even higher)

[emulord]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

I agree with Stavie. Its a boss 8

[runescapedude1126]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

Going for an AAA does NOT warrant changing a difficulty though. How many people start playing and day 1 go "I'm going to AAA this 8/9!!". Judge the difficulty on the overall song, not how hard it is to AAA. Length sucks but with slow songs length is nothing, raise the bpm by 40 and you now have a song less than 3 minutes, and even THEN it could be a 9, just because it is long does not mean it has the rest of the characteristics to be a 9. If you are a scientist, and have ONE ingredient to make a dangerous chemical, but none of the others, can you make it? This song has ONE characteristic of a 9, but none of the others, it is an 8.

[Jerry DB]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

Look at the play count compared to the AAA count, also those trills, especially the one hand trills can be easy to get lost on even though they are slow. Sure it's slow but Considering it is 4 times longer then most 8's I would say it is a 9. There is probably 50 9's in this game that are easier to AAA then max forever

[wildfireskunk]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

Hardest 8 imo. I think I've got one AAA on a 9 and it was on index. I've got 3-0-0-0 on this which is better than most of my 9s. The only problem imo is getting the trills down, but play long enough and they become pretty easy as they're slow. This chart is devoid of any complex midrun jumps or jumpstream that a lot of 9s have, and the runs are slow enough that PAing them isn't as challenging as other stream 9s like Blaze. And the runs are less complex than CIA Rave.

It's also nice because this is well known as the highest 8, so it stops us having to find something else to put in its place.

[Jerry DB]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

lethal injection can take it's place as hardest 8 lol

only 8 I have left and I have 1-9 aaa'd

[iironiic]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

For those who are arguing that MAX Forever is an 8 (not that it really matters because I can see it go both ways too), here's something to think about.

Of course anyone can stand. Standing is seen as a very easy task for most humans. However, can you stand for 24 straight hours? Of course this is a little drastic, but I am trying to emphasize my point. Imagine someone trying their hardest to FC MAX Forever. You also need to consider the psychological factors associated with the thrill of having over 2000 combo for rising players. This is what makes consistency hard, even though the patterns are straightforward. This is what makes MAX Forever a hard song for many people.

The common argument that I am seeing from those supporting MAX Forever being an 8 is the straightforwardness of the patterns. This is only true if we all are prone to not expressing any emotions. Yes the argument may be a little more objective, but just analyzing the patterns limits yourself from other possibilities that contributes to the difficulty of the file.

[i love you]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

9

Why? Try comparing it with other 8's and you tell me if it belongs there. Not to mention that it is 5 minutes long with a shitload of one handed trills. I mean come on, be real people.

[who_cares973]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

i just played it index and i think its a 10

[ffdfadsdasd]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

Something that should also be taken into consideration is nerves.... those one handed trills are BRUTAL if you´re a nervous wreck. They certainly are pretty long.

Yes, the file is 300 bpm meaning all the 8ths are 3 frames apart so it works out nice, but nerves get in the way of slowing the hell down. Slow trills can also be just as bad as faster trills in this case.

Going to what iironiic said, consistency becomes a LOT harder on longer songs (especially if you have a good score going).