MAX Forever [8 or 9]

[Zageron]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

Max Forever is a lot of 10 NPS stream. Sustaining 10 note per second runs isn't common in level 8 charts, especially with runs of that length.

Personally, it can go either way, but I'd much rather see it as a 9 simply for length (although, this is somewhat of a hypocritical opinion, considering Blue Army is well over 5 minutes and has a ton of streaming...).

And blue army is considerably more difficult IMO.
I'm not sure if adding my opinion in this forum is going to be helpful as I play 1h3f, which alters the pattern difficulty ratings considerably.

[bmah]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

I think full-comboing a song without mashing is a decent parameter to measure overall difficulty. AAAing a song represents only a small portion of the community and doesn't represent a song's overall difficulty. And unlike most other rhythm games such as DDR, passing a song is just about a non-issue for any song on FFR, so you can't represent a song's difficulty this way either.

[ic0slay3r]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

Nothing about the song is really that difficult, but the consistency needed to AAA or FC makes me think it should be bumped to a 9.

[alloyus]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

I'm not sure if adding my opinion in this forum is going to be helpful as I play 1h3f, which alters the pattern difficulty ratings considerably.

I actually think it's valid to get perspectives from different playing files, especially in this case. Not that my one-handed skills are better than two-handed, but this song was a lot easier than other 8's when I used to use one hand to play, and a lot of people who just start, especially if they don't really know about playing styles, either go for index or one hand, both of which make this song far easier than if someone at the same skill, but uses two hands, played.

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

Chart wise, this song is an offsync 8. The trills while being one handed are honestly not that bad. But because of the length and how many there are my vote is a 9.

But if anything else is EASIER than this - it should probably be moved to an 8. If this chart is made a 9 this chart needs to be considered the easiest 9 because realistically aside from consistency this song is not hard.

[rushyrulz]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

It might be difficult to consistently PA but the song is incredibly easy, and does not deserve 9 status.

*opinion*

So long as we're ignoring song length, lets go ahead and bump Fast Asleep up to 11, AcidAce to 11, mutant corecore to 12, FFLBF to 10, Blue Army to 9, and Blue Noah to 9.

PS, MAX Forever = 9.

[PrawnSkunk]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

I hate both Lethal Injection and MAX Forever. IMO, those are the most difficult 8's to PA. So, I'm also jumping on the +1 bandwagon. I'd love to see this become a 9. 8-)

[iironiic]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

If Blooddrunk is a FMO, then MAX Forever is a 9. Mainly consists of straightforward patterns but it's hard to be consistent. Furthermore the length adds to its difficulty.

[stavie33]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

It is hands down a 9 but it is nearly ingrained into us that it is the cutoff for all 8's; and I accept that, since it being a low 9 technically puts it above all 8's ever, it being the ultimate 8 does the same job. It's the same thing by a different name, highest 8 ever or one of the lowest 9's. Frankly, I'm used to it at an 8 and I think it's a good symbol of the wall to overcome. I view 9's as the starting point for technical FFR playing, because that's when the files really put on their technical hats (Divinity, Tori no Uta, long stream files and tricky jumpstream start appearing here as well).

Using Max Forever as the boundary between the peak of casual playing and the beginning of technical playing has always seemed like a good idea. Casual playing in my eyes is being able to do straight, simple, readable, comfortable patterns, but of varying speed and length. Max Forever takes simple patterns in stream and jump and says 'so you've think you've mastered it? Here's a marathon testing all you've learned, how long can you last?'.

And if you make it, it's like restarting at a slightly easier level that tests different skills and develops them. Like how a boss song in (earlier) DDR games on standard may be harder than low heavy's, but it's a nice barrier between the two before you start learning heavy files and the technicality they throw at you (like how crossovers and gallops used to be near non existent in standard charts)

[rayword45]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

If Blooddrunk is a FMO, then MAX Forever is a 9. Mainly consists of straightforward patterns but it's hard to be consistent. Furthermore the length adds to its difficulty.

Different thread, but if Blooddrunk was 2 minutes and had 66% of the one-handed trills, it'd still be an 11.

Max Forever blows (IMO) all of the 9s in the 60-61 zones out of the water.

[awein999]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

This song is a solid 9. Length and consistency necessities bump this up to a mid 9 in my book.

[SeraphinEveles]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

i have to rate the song at a 9, due to length, while many players who are at the 8-9 level area may find the step pattern easy, the shear length of the song proves to be a challenge, since there isn't much else in the game even running at this length.

[inDheart]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

length

why exactly is length a problem? it just means you need a bit of endurance, and not get too bored. also, the trills are pretty slow, and there is only one trill transition i remember that's rough. i don't think there's that much 9 worthy about it. high 8 for me.

[rayword45]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

The length will make this somewhat stamina-draining for those in 8-territory, and index players may possibly have problems with a few jumps late into the song (I know, that's 7-8 material, but that's after 2000 notes of streaming) while spread players will have problems with the trills.

AAAing is a bitch simply due to length.

[devonin]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

Some insight from a player whose skill level is smack in the middle of the song in question.

Did Max Forever. Not my best score, I don't play that much so my endurance is pretty shit. Pulled 88% perfects, 1.5% misses and 1.5% boos. Those miss/boo numbers were basically identical, which says to me "Every note I missed, I booed, so I basically -hit- everything, and didn't mash at all, but my timing wasn't excellent"

Then I did the bottom three 9's.

86% 89% and a dismal 74% on {Arabian Assassin}

My miss and boo counts were also either both higher, or I had more boos than misses, which means I was also being more spastic in places and less confident that I knew where my fingers were supposed to be. These songs weren't "Clean except for timing issues" like Max was, these were just "I did worse, because the songs are harder"

Max Forever is an 8. A very high 8, but as someone for whom Fc'ing these songs isn't just a given, I did MUCH better on Max than I did on even a 60 just above it.