MAX Forever [8 or 9]

[Elite Ninja]

I am a little surprised that a thread hasn't been made for this one yet but here it is.

MAX Forever takes lots of consistency to score well on and has slow paced trills (including one handed trills for spread players) that are hard to stay consistent on. The length of it makes it a 9 as it is almost 6 minutes long and has over 2500 arrows (2709 to be exact).

I have heard lots of people wanting to move this up to a 9.

Discuss your opinion. I think people could come up with more reasons that I didnt add to this.

[sakura080789]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

i consider this to be a 9 only cause the trills are annoying and it takes decent consistency to perfect them

[YoshL]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

honestly, i think this should stay at a high 8. Yes, it's long as hell and annoying to AAA but...the patterns are so easy, that IMO wouldn't fit as a 9

[bmah]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

I'd say MAX Forever is a 9 when you not only consider the length (marathon-length song) but also the trill patterns. So you need to have consistency in two aspects: the song's duration, and repetitive patterns sustained for a lengthy period of time (the trills for instance, whether they're one-handed or not). While song length doesn't usually take a big role in the difficulties of most songs, this one significantly does.

And statistically of course, this is usually the last song veterans tend to AAA as far as VDs are concerned.

[krunkykai22]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

Nah Yoshl I really think this should be bumped to a 9. Think about it, the song Seven gets you ONI (Heavy) and is cake compared to this file. The length factored in with the trills and color notes (yes even though its just 2 colors) it still gets tricky. +1 for MF to be a 9.

[hobgoblinpie]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

The patterns aren't tricky to read, but the one-handed trills are annoying if you don't have the speed (for a while I would just hit both arrows like a delayed jump - timed in between each arrow so I'd get goods for both) to hit them accurately.

Due to length & one-handed trills (which aren't exactly short trills either), I'd say move it up to a 9.

[alloyus]

Just played for the first time in a couple of years just for this thread. I think it should remain an 8 (high-end). Even though it's long, the speed of the song is slower than some other hard 8's (for example Harry Potter Techno Remix).

Just played Seven, too. I actually find it to be more difficult than this. It's 10 BPM slower, but it's jumpstream, something a lot of newer players struggle with.

[YoshL]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

"You need such consistency on this song to AAA it"

*ahem*

You honestly need consistency on every single song to score well on them.
the only exceptions are like, synth files (LOL SSSG) which should be somewhere like FGO because you purposefully have to be inconsistent with your timings.

basically, yes, consistency and length are one thing, but it's nothing when really, the patterns are really easy.

[TheSaxRunner05]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

If world tour is an FMO, then Max Forever is a 9

[YoshL]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

If world tour is an FMO, then Max Forever is a 9

The thing is, world tour is filled with mostly VC stuff, with that FMO bit at the end. It still has those patterns, as does Crowdpleaser. Max Forever doesn't have 9 patterns that i can see at all.

[wildfireskunk]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

I think it's worthy as a 9. Not a touch 9, but for an 8 it's really tough! Keeping your consistency for that long, and those one handed trills, for an 8...

Certainly a 9 :)

[Zageron]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

It might be difficult to consistently PA but the song is incredibly easy, and does not deserve 9 status.

*opinion*

[TheSaxRunner05]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

The patterns alone make Max Forever an 8. But, in the new TP system (CANT WAIT!) looser restrictions are given to it for TP simply because if it's length. Songs which are Excessively long are given special consideration as being more difficult. Also, there are high 10's with patterns as dense as the end of World Tour (it falls in that fuzzy line between high 10 and low 11, but is definitely and FMO for it's length).

/2c

[TC_Halogen]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

Max Forever is a lot of 10 NPS stream. Sustaining 10 note per second runs isn't common in level 8 charts, especially with runs of that length.

Personally, it can go either way, but I'd much rather see it as a 9 simply for length (although, this is somewhat of a hypocritical opinion, considering Blue Army is well over 5 minutes and has a ton of streaming...).

[qqwref]

Re: MAX Forever [8 or 9]

Any individual section is an 8, but if you want to FC or AAA, it's definitely as hard as a 9. If we're looking at FC/AAA difficulty, it should be placed in the 9 category.

the song is incredibly easy, and does not deserve 9 status.

Maybe it should be put as a 1 then? Just sayin'.