Avmiss public release

**Gilly G** · 04-9-2008, 10:51 AM

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Avmisses were cool. They're like the next level of FFR.

Since we can only get perfect on 3 different frames, and with 4-framers, 2 frames only, it added an extra difficulty because you need better accuracy.

Of course songs like Death Piano with avmisses can be suicidal, but hey, it's just the extra difficulty. The next level of FFR.

**XUioX** · 04-9-2008, 12:29 PM

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avmisses are NOT cool. because it messes up your ability to play the song correctly. im pretty sure when ffr was made, they werent planning on having the avmiss glitch. they just went along with it. i think game glitches should be fixed for the public, not for people who pay for it. subbyers deserve extra features, not a better, easier way to play. its just the way games like these are supposed to be. im surprised it took this long for anyone to try and fix it. besides, when this is finally done, we can all be happier. we could enjoy ffr better, knowing its a fair game now

**jimerax** · 04-9-2008, 12:39 PM

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Subscribers are just testing incomplete features, guys.

**devonin** · 04-9-2008, 12:41 PM

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1/ Anybody who subscribed before avmisses were fixed knows better than to think that subscription is for the avmiss fix. You get MORE than enough features simply as a basic subscriber regardless of access to the beta. All the people who subscribed for the fix, and are now whining about subs not being worth it once the fix goes public need to think hard about why it is worth it to support with a small amount of money, a company bringing an awesome game to 1.5 million people for FREE.

2/ Anybody who is even THINKING of implying that the release of the fix is being delayed as a cash grab to make people subscribe, frankly I'm not sure I want you around here anymore. Have you seen nothing in the past 5 years? These guys are some of the hardest working and dedicated admin for any game I've ever seen. The benefit for subscribers is that we get to play buggy broken systems with attempted fixes that make our scores get wiped until they can make it workable. I don't see why anybody should have to aplogise to you for making sure that the fixes work properly and how they should before they get released. New issues pop up all the time, they have a very limited number of man-hours available, and if the person working on something gets sidetracked by some pressing issue, it just happens.

3/ "We hope to have this ready for public release by the end of the FGO/FMO event" does not constitute an ironclad agreement with a fixed date and time. It's a hope that says "if things look like they're working properly" Did it ever occur to anybody to look into how the fix works? If its playing around with timing windows and so forth, maybe it worked for the existing songs, and once the FMO/FGO event happened, and the game got songs MUCH harder and much more full of jacks as well as hands/quads, maybe the system needed further adjusting? Did anybody ask? No they just started complaining.

4/ Avmisses were an inevitable function of how the game worked in conjunction with the framerate. What makes you think that people weren't trying to think of a way to fix it all this time? Someone isn't allowed to have a breakthrough? It had to be obvious and ignored right from day 1?

Seriously guys, you need to learn a little patience. Delays happen, things take longer than they were supposed to, unexpected other problems crop up that need attention. It's being worked on, it will be released when it can be.

Deep breaths everyone.

**PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR** · 04-9-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by Sprite-

I'd tell you, but I'd have to kill you.
I actually have no idea.

Well, I've had a good run... I'll take you up on that deal.

Originally posted by Tasselfoot

Please be patient. The plane will be ready for take-off shortly. We just have a few more minor maintenance issues to go over.

Please don't tell me that someone broke the little door. Those things take hours to fix. Let it be something like not fully fueled or something little like that.

**XUioX** · 04-9-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by devonin

3/ "We hope to have this ready for public release by the end of the FGO/FMO event" does not constitute an ironclad agreement with a fixed date and time. It's a hope that says "if things look like they're working properly" Did it ever occur to anybody to look into how the fix works? If its playing around with timing windows and so forth, maybe it worked for the existing songs, and once the FMO/FGO event happened, and the game got songs MUCH harder and much more full of jacks as well as hands/quads, maybe the system needed further adjusting? Did anybody ask? No they just started complaining.

your not totally wrong.. but also tass DID say "Unfortunately, we aren�t able to release it just yet� but it will be out before the event is over!"
If he wasnt exactly sure about when it would be fixed.. he shouldnt have lifted everyones hopes up by saying that. of course it would cause people like us to complain. perhaps if he said it differently people wouldnt be hoping for it right away.

**ninjaKIWI** · 04-9-2008, 06:07 PM

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I've been meaning to post a thread for this, but, I've always thought about maybe making Av-misses a mod, like dizzy or Tornado.

And guys, just give it time, you should be happy that they're fixed, and will be eventually coming out. Be patient.

**s0ulst0n3** · 04-9-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Bynary Fission

Yeah, but I had a 339 combo, and an average-miss killed it...and I did it one-handed too. You have no idea what it feels like to get such a huge combo on a song like that then lose it to an average miss. However, I don't see how I'd get one, but I did.

~Bynary Fission

I'm pretty sure you can't average-miss in CIA Rave, you probably didn't push down the key hard enough or something.

I never liked the auto-fail, speed mods, or average miss fix idea. Kinda ruined FFR and made it easy.

Okay, I admit it. I love auto-fail. BUT THAT'S ALL!

**Commandersa1** · 04-9-2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by XUioX

your not totally wrong.. but also tass DID say "Unfortunately, we aren’t able to release it just yet… but it will be out before the event is over!"
If he wasnt exactly sure about when it would be fixed.. he shouldnt have lifted everyones hopes up by saying that. of course it would cause people like us to complain. perhaps if he said it differently people wouldnt be hoping for it right away.

People would complain no matter what someone said.

And the reason we never get an actual answer is because when something goes wrong, people complain about it. If they claimed that the beta will become public tomorrow, and some code messes up. Your post is a prime example of this. They have hundreds of users griping at them constantly. They have to close hundreds of threads, check messages, etc...

Waiting is the best option right now... :P

**Bluearrowll** · 04-9-2008, 06:55 PM

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Anyone else notice a pattern that the subscribers aren't happy about the avmiss fix and the non-subscribers can't wait for it? At least that's what I'm getting from this topic.

**x After Dawn x** · 04-9-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by Ice wolf

We can at least expect it to be bug-free.

I wouldn't count on it.

**Bynary Fission** · 04-9-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by s0ulst0n3

I'm pretty sure you can't average-miss in CIA Rave, you probably didn't push down the key hard enough or something.

I never liked the auto-fail, speed mods, or average miss fix idea. Kinda ruined FFR and made it easy.

Okay, I admit it. I love auto-fail. BUT THAT'S ALL!

Actually, it is. I noticed that if you hit it late, then you get an average miss on a 5/6 framer, or something...seems stupid but that's what I noticed. And I got them anyways....or I could be wrong, but I got it several times, I'm confident it was an average-miss.

Oh, and yeah it wasn't smart for Tass to say it'd be out on X day or range of days. Then, the longer you wait afterwards the more complaints you get. At least they're (the complaints) more stable if you don't give an exact date...

~Bynary Fission

**Bluearrowll** · 04-9-2008, 07:09 PM

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On a 5/6 framer if you let most of the arrow pass, but if you normally hit it where an 'average' should be (at the very end of the arrow) it's still possible to AV-MISS, hitting the 2nd arrow and missing the first.

**x After Dawn x** · 04-9-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by Bluearrowll

On a 5/6 framer if you let most of the arrow pass, but if you normally hit it where an 'average' should be (at the very end of the arrow) it's still possible to AV-MISS, hitting the 2nd arrow and missing the first.

You can't hit a late average, you can only hit a late good.

**Bynary Fission** · 04-9-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by x After Dawn x

You can't hit a late average, you can only hit a late good.

He means hitting the second arrow early enough to get an average while missing the arrow above it.

~Bynary Fission

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