Regarding all future officials

[igotrhythm]

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Why not just use both methods in one tourney?
Kinda like Doss' brutality tourneys.

I was in Brutality 3 and that used a scoring system like duplicate bridge, comparing raw scores and granting points based on the number of people your score topped. Whoever had the most points at the end of the tourney won.

...oh, you're talking about how you could enter for combo, raw or both. Okay, I see what you mean.

I think most people in unofficial tournies use raw scores not because it's a "truer gauge of skill" but because the numbers are easier to work with. I'd rather juggle 5-digit numbers than 7, thank you.

[T-Force]

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I wanted to surprise people with the raw scoring for this upcoming tournament.

So when are we getting it for all of the tournaments and not just this one?
That's really the whole point of this thread. People want change, but never speak up - or they do and it get ignored. This isn't that big a request, and obviously the majority of people would prefer this.
This thread is a statement to the higher ups showing what we, the users, want.

[Hateandhatred]

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Except in Guitar Hero, it doesn't matter if you hit the note early or late, it's either you have it, or you miss it. Therefore the need of combo scoring.

Nah. It could simply be about how many notes you get and that's it. Like FFR, the emphasis on combo is huge. And like ffr you're gonna get a much better score if you get 4 misses in the beginning than just one in the middle of the song.

However, "boos" in Guitar Hero wreck your combo...

[TC_Halogen]

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So when are we getting it for all of the tournaments and not just this one?
That's really the whole point of this thread. People want change, but never speak up - or they do and it get ignored. This isn't that big a request, and obviously the majority of people would prefer this.
This thread is a statement to the higher ups showing what we, the users, want.

That is usually something you shouldn't ever say unless you can back up why it isn't a big request, lol.

As far as I know, FFR doesn't segregate the best raw scores and total scores - your best total score won't necessarily be your best PA run. There needs to be a way to fix that so the database can record things the way it should, haha.

[Senri Akane]

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Guitar Hero

uhhh I believe osu! standard places the most emphasis on combo scoring than any other game lmao

it's the easiest game to miss in

[T-Force]

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That is usually something you shouldn't ever say unless you can back up why it isn't a big request, lol.

For one, considering there is already a system in place that tracks your best total score that's already used in officials, one can only assume it'd be a fairly easy fix to make it register your best raw score in the dashboard.

As well, all this really is is people saying "I want this to be done for this and future events of this kind." Is it going to get implemented? Maybe not. But it's a voice that has now been noticed.

Another reason it's not that big, I'm not asking for the whole game to shift to combo scoring. I'm not asking for the site to be entirely coded in another format. I'm not asking for X people to be moderators, Y people to be banned, and Z people to be extreme overlords of the Galaxy. I'm asking (and getting other's opinions) for a change in an event that's run once or twice a year.

[Velocity]

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First a few things to clear up:

1.
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/levelstats_raw.php only works because of the fact we store the P/G/A/M/B counts along with the max combo, and that it's easy to figure out raw score like that. Because of this, only combo scores that beat the old combo best are saved and used in raw stats. We don't store raw scores anywhere seperately.

2.
Tournament games are stores separately from the game highscores, so the info that is saved can be much different then normally saved, this lets me easily change between which one to save. Changing the entire site either way can be done the same way as this, but much more would have to be changed that it would take less time to just redo everything.

3.
The plan was to have 2 separate tournaments using raw for one and combo for the other, this was done to keep both groups happy.

4.
FFR doesn't use a 20GB dirve, but a 80GB. Synth does have a large drive on hand to ever throw onto the server if we ever need it.

[qqwref]

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The plan was to have 2 separate tournaments using raw for one and combo for the other, this was done to keep both groups happy.

I don't think we have anywhere enough good hard files to run two tournaments a year. We've all seen how many low-quality last-minute charts can get in from just a single tournament, so imagine if we needed people to churn out 30+ more FGOs really quickly...

FFR doesn't use a 20GB dirve, but a 80GB. Synth does have a large drive on hand to ever throw onto the server if we ever need it.

So wait, then we do have room to copy the high score tables and make separate raw scoring tables, don't we?

[DossarLX ODI]

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I don't think we have anywhere enough good hard files to run two tournaments a year. We've all seen how many low-quality last-minute charts can get in from just a single tournament, so imagine if we needed people to churn out 30+ more FGOs really quickly...

Considering how I was frequently asking in the 7th official what files were available and getting no response, I have to agree with this entirely.

[Garquillex]

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Doesn't FFR use at least a couple backup drives?
Wouldn't you need new backup drives if you ever increased the main hard drive?

[TC_Halogen]

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For one, considering there is already a system in place that tracks your best total score that's already used in officials, one can only assume it'd be a fairly easy fix to make it register your best raw score in the dashboard.

As well, all this really is is people saying "I want this to be done for this and future events of this kind." Is it going to get implemented? Maybe not. But it's a voice that has now been noticed.

Another reason it's not that big, I'm not asking for the whole game to shift to combo scoring. I'm not asking for the site to be entirely coded in another format. I'm not asking for X people to be moderators, Y people to be banned, and Z people to be extreme overlords of the Galaxy. I'm asking (and getting other's opinions) for a change in an event that's run once or twice a year.

read the second half of my post please - what you're saying is not even pertinent to what I mentioned; my description particularly targets the situation of the tournament because (to my knowledge), your best raw score's PA is taken from your best total score, regardless of the best total score having a weaker raw score. This could also be a result of raw score tables being added later; I could be wrong.

I don't think we have anywhere enough good hard files to run two tournaments a year. We've all seen how many low-quality last-minute charts can get in from just a single tournament, so imagine if we needed people to churn out 30+ more FGOs really quickly...

This seems so subjective to me. This was a problem last tournament, yeah, there was Undiscovered Colors that slipped in without any judgment but that doesn't mean it will always be that way. For the 6th official, all Kayla needed was two files due to a sudden shift in difficulty thanks to file fixes - hi19 and I alleviated the situation with Rave7 and Mermaid Island (respectively). Jae also really didn't utilize the "internal batch" that he planned on, which is why files had to be stopped from release prior to the tournament (point being, he had to hold on to any hard files he had, rather than opening a more exclusive batch to gain the files he needed). With the proper planning, it really shouldn't be hard to manage.

[TC_Halogen]

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eww please don't do this

Not "private" in that sense (I should probably edit my post), but more exclusive than just an open batch. I would ideally like to see any judges, prolific simfile artists, or those who might not have that many simfiles but have the capability of pulling something that would be effectively used in the tournament.

I don't know how anything is really working because I haven't communicated with anyone, haha.

[qqwref]

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I really don't like the idea of private batches for tournaments. But that's just me. It feels too much like "hey, we are desperate for charts, and you are a good stepauthor, so just throw stuff together and we'll probably accept it".

[psychoangel691]

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So when are we getting it for all of the tournaments and not just this one?
That's really the whole point of this thread. People want change, but never speak up - or they do and it get ignored. This isn't that big a request, and obviously the majority of people would prefer this.
This thread is a statement to the higher ups showing what we, the users, want.

Uh, people have made threads about this dude. If it was ignored I wouldn't have pushed so hard for it to be implemented into the dashboard. And how is it fair to only hold raw when there's people that want different things, this is part of the two per year one raw and one combo. Also, it would have been one thing to make a thread advocating raw score, it's another to leak information that wasn't supposed to be.

I really don't like the idea of private batches for tournaments. But that's just me. It feels too much like "hey, we are desperate for charts, and you are a good stepauthor, so just throw stuff together and we'll probably accept it".

It's more like we need good files for the tournament, you've made several and are experienced. It's faster than holding an entire batch and is supposed to be judged fairly still. What Jae did is not what is supposed to go on with an internal batch.

[T-Force]

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Different people wanting different things, I can agree with, but look up. Look at the results. I think they speak for themselves what's wanted during these.

As for it being leaked info, apologies; no one informed me that this was supposed to be secret so I had assumed it was common knowledge. Also, seeing as no one's going all "OMG TEH WINTURR OFFISHUL IS RAW SCOARING?! COOL!", maybe this isn't as big a surprise to anyone.