A Bit of Token Talk

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

So, this thread is coming about because of the most recent tendency of the people to make new skill tokens as "AntiPA" tokens.

This bothers me. Immensely. Mostly because of a personal preference.

Anyways, here is what I am purposing.

We need to fix how we are classifying tokens. We have everything all over the place and it's really rather annoying.

Let us begin with "General" Tokens.

This is how they appear as of right now

Here is what I'd like to see. We need to separate these into multiple sections.

The sections are as follows with their respective token lists in spoilers:

Regular tokens:

1. Forum Tokens

1. Hardcore of the North
2. Xuxa
3. Takecore Of Yourself
4. Tsugaru 180 New Version
5. {Satori}
6. Psychosis
7. Sifon
8. Anubis
9. Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star v2
10. Silence v2
11. Attack of One Minute
12. Roller Coaster Ride
13. Naisyaodakunyan
14. CIA Rave v2
15. Fall
16. Samurai Road
17. Forza Azzuri
19. Ride Out
20. Bike Thief (Tubeway Remix)
21. Kagami
22. Sunny Starry Carnival
23. Kakke Ecko
24. Strawberry
25. Gaussian Blur
26. Ice Candy Pop
27. Field of Snow [Standard]
28. Rocking Ass
29. Sicilian Sun

Why are these tokens here?
These are the tokens you find using the hints given to you via the front page posts. You must find these.

2. Event Tokens

18. Vertex BETA vrofl
39. FREEDOM DiVE
41. Will you Marry Me? (I feel as if this should not be a token but if it stays, hide it from the public. This will immensely confuse new players.)
42. The Wisest Were Wrong

Why are these here?
These are songs you earn via events. Usually contests and official tourneys. Or in short terms, these are not obtained in normal means.


3. Task Tokens (Feel free to discuss what the term for this should be.)

30. Orchestral Angels
31. Happy Rainbow
32. Quickdraw
33. Slow Motion (Wipeout Pure Xtra)
34. Here We Go
35. PianoCore
36. Dendrite v2
37. Tell v3 (Extended Mix)
38. Coactive [Over My Shoulder Mix]
40. You Gotta B-E-E-R!
41. Token Whore

Why are these here?
These are the tokens that aren't skill tokens, nor event tokens, and cannot be found by using the forum. These tokens are found by doing a required task. They're like skill tokens but aren't quite tokens due to their unlock being unique. You need to post in threads for some of these, or need to unlock them via level rank status.

And now we move on, we move to the section that I feel will require he most discussion. I have a very clear opinion of the differences between "Skill" tokens and "AntiPA" tokens. Even to the degree where I think calling it "AntiSkill" is wrong. But I am going to not bother you with this.

Simply put, Skill Tokens need a separation between two main categories. Being their terminology or name is up for discussion, I'm going to use the terms I prefer.

Skill Tokens as they are now in listing.

As I'd separate them:

1. Skill Tokens

1. Spontaneous Hydroxide v2
2. Dazzling Destiny
3. Hellbeat V2
4. Idol (Danpa with Posing Guys ver)
5. First Try
5. UNknown Girl
6. Gaussian Blur 2
7. BB Revenge
8. V1
9. Calm (Short 'n' Slow Mix)
10. Tribal Style
11. Battle Ax
12. So Long To The Circus
13. Lift Up
14. R3 (Omega Mix)
15. Syage
16. Judgement Days
17. All of the World
18. {Midnight}
19. EternuS
20. The Pylons Are TRAP BALLS
21. Heavy Danger
22. What-ever
23. {Satori} v2
24. lolharp5000
25. Dawn
26. Dance To Moroder
27. CAULI FLOWER
28. Otaku Speedvibe [Heavy]
29. Otaku Speedvibe [Oni]
30. Three Ring Nightfall
31. Clash at the Mountains
32. Disconnected
33. Story of Snowman and Sunshine Girl v2
34. ViennaCore
34. Love Cheat!
35. PLANETZ
36. Binary Rendezvous
37. Abyss (Downbeat Mix)
38. Mou Uta Shika Kikoenai
39. Incognito v2
40. Chinaman
41. Sail AwaY
42. Stunt Flying (Sanxion7 Mix)
43. Prelude to Rites
44. Cold Breath
45. Disconnected -mobius-
46. Made In Innocent
47. Kyuin
48. Distant Land
49. Hatten Carnival! v2
50. Melonmans OP
51. {Colossus}
52. MaxX AttaxX
53. The Five
54. Eien Meikyu
55. Geno's Forest F-Zero
56. Tell
57. Pokemon DnB
58. 5.1.1. (AG Supercool Mix)
59. I'm Raving (B0UNC3 Mix)
60. Do Not Sex To This
61. Summer Starry Sky
62. Technostorm Hurricane
63. Like Glass
64. Crying Soul
65. One More Night (SynthWulf Remix)
66. Ride of the Black Rider
67. Sine Reality II
68. Strategem
69. We Interrupt This Program (AG Flash Floor Mix)
70. RainDrops v2
71. Electro Rush x8 v2
72. Sonata Quasi Una Fantasia Mov.3
73. Gacha Gacha Hertz Figu atto Radio
74. Tell v2
75. Disconnected Hardkore
76. Minute Waltz v2
77. Big Blue v2
78. St. Scarhand
79. Party 4u -holy nite mix-
80. JULIAN
81. Ding Dong Song [Standard]
82. Elektrik Shiivers
83. A Correspondances Illumitees
84. Rudi the Techno Pioneer
84. Revolutionary Etude v2
85. The Bird's Concrete Nosedive
86. Shadows

Why are some of these here and not in the list below?
Any token in this list can be unlocked with a AAA if Memory serves. If it requires a specific count, it is treated as AntiPA.

2. AntiPA Tokens

1. Spinning With You
2. Manhattan Sapphire
3. Destiny v2
4. Emotions V2
5. Zephon
6. Ninjitsu
7. P8107
8. Exotica
9. Party 4u -holy nite mix- v3
10. Starman
11. Nippon Zenkoku GABA Ondo
12. Frozen Bond
13. Color of Giggles
14. Angel Stays On This Ground
15. ~Absolute Zero~
16. {Sunlight}
17. LunaMarionette
18. Nanairopanda v2
19. OMGWTFT0k3N
20. BEER MY FRIEND
21. BEER
22. Marisa Stole the Precious Thing
23. Metro
24. Video Out B
25. Piano Etude (Demon Fire) [Oni]
26. Crowdpleaser v2
27. 404th of July

Some of these encourage good PA?
No. All of these tokens specifically require a score that cannot be achieved through a AAA. Where as the above list can have a AAA to unlock.

Now to the HUGE thing you've been wondering since you opened the thread...

Why do we care?

I don't know about you, but I am personally really annoyed by the idea that things can be sorted properly, but aren't. This system stops players from being confused. Yes, all of these would require their own page, and a small FAQ note at the top explaining it. I feel this would be very helpful to newer players migrating to the site.

Also! While we are on topic of tokens.

We should modify this requirement:

Token Whore
Unlock ST#1-99, then check levelrank.php to unlock Token Whore.
145 people have unlocked skill token 100

Modify it to check for 100 tokens. ANY token should count if possible.

Hopefully this is discussed and has a good course of action taken.

[Lambdadelta]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

Good suggestions. I'd like to see this happen.

[Zakvvv666]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

I think moving things around like this would help as it's certainly needed.

[rushyrulz]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

your "Task Tokens" are already classified as Achievement Tokens.

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...d.php?t=103631

[rushyrulz]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

I immensely disagree with making Token Whore any 100 tokens.

I second.

[bballa48]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

I immensely disagree with making Token Whore any 100 tokens.

Agreed. This is a ludicrous suggestion.

[tofurox]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

I second.

Third.

Edit: 4th now I guess haha.

[Crazyjayde]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

This would be the start of a huge improvement to the gaming part of the community. I'm starting to be bothered by seeing how much the site is stagnating in terms of maintenance. Not technical maintenance, but more like adapting to the standards of the community and newcomers.

I believe this kind of update is valuable to the site and is nowhere a waste of time. I'll beg anyone to do this.

[qqwref]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

I agree, the system could use some restructuring. It would be a lot clearer that way. I do think anti-PA tokens are a lot more fun than skill tokens, though, because instead of being an "either you can do this or you can't" type thing, you get to try to figure out how to do it and work towards the requirement.

I immensely disagree with making Token Whore any 100 tokens.

Fourth'd. It should be all other tokens

[Razor]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

unlocking the first 99 to get Token Whore should stay the same. it's fitting/reasonable.

[Lambdadelta]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

unlocking the first 99 to get Token Whore should stay the same. it's fitting/reasonable.

It might be a pain to get all the anti skill tokens if your not good enough but when you finally get token whore it feels good that you finally did it.

[igotrhythm]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

Seeing as Token Whore was the 100th skill token released, it made sense at the time to make the unlock requirement getting the other 99. Now that there's more being added, I move to have Token Whore unlock be any 99 skill tokens, not 100. This way, Token Whore remains as the 100th get while preventing you from raging too much on the real pain in the ass anti-PA tokens.

Like, seriously, 200 averages? <<

[Netjet!]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

I agree for everything listed except for token whore like everyone else said.

[justin_ator]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

I'm pretty indifferent about most of this. The only real issue I have is with how impossibly hard it is to obtain the actual Tokens themselves, since related posts and other locations are buried so much now. It seriously encourages users to cheat the locations using other means... I think this is the biggest concern. The actual Tokens (or forum tokens, w/e you want to call them).

[foxfire667]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

Yeah more classification and organization is always great. I agree with most of what has been addressed here, although as for Token Whore:

Fourth'd. It should be all other tokens

Seriously, let's do it. It is sort of meant to be the skill token to end all skill tokens, so let's change it up! Obviously once you unlock it whatever if new tokens come out, but at least this way it will always keep with the times in the sense that you are in fact, whoring tokens.