A Bit of Token Talk

[justin_ator]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

itt people whine about hard to get tokens

[popsicle_3000]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

^

i think token whore should still be for getting tokens 1-99. it's meant to be a tough one.

[Lambdadelta]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

itt people whine about hard to get tokens

I never whined about Nanairopanda v2,Disconnected Hardcore or Otaku speedvibe [Oni] or St.Scarhand though

[UserNameGoesHere]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

Why not wait till 199 skill tokens and make a Token whore v2 for unlocking 100 -199?

I like this idea much better.

[Coolboyrulez0]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

Keep Token Whore 1-99

Find a more epic tune (not token whore v2 ffs) as the "reward" for obtaining skill tokens 100-199 or rather 101-199
because making it require Token Whore (and thus 1-99) in addition to requiring to obtain ST #101-199 would be much too elitist and exclusive, imo.

PS: Additionally I am all for the separation / more clarification on skill tokens. System's a bit cluttered and confusing, especially for newer players, I'd bet.

[popsicle_3000]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

101-199 you mean?

[Coolboyrulez0]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

101-199 you mean?

nope

yeah, i typo'd that and clarified on some things. (sun)

[Lambdadelta]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

Keep Token Whore 1-99

Find a more epic tune (not token whore v2 ffs) as the "reward" for obtaining skill tokens 100-199 or rather 101-199
because making it require Token Whore (and thus 1-99) in addition to requiring to obtain ST #101-199 would be much too elitist and exclusive, imo.

PS: Additionally I am all for the separation / more clarification on skill tokens. System's a bit cluttered and confusing, especially for newer players, I'd bet.

Speedcore 300 Dump file.

/sarcasm

[bballa48]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

Excuse me,

Not to be rude or anything but, D1 players Don't usually have very good with PA to begin with. Once you get to a certain degree of skill Anti-PA becomes extremely Tedious to be able to do.


For example, When I first got starman which is less then 10 perfects and 180+ goods On super mario 8bit 80's remix,
I replayed that song at least 200-300 times and that was very hard at the time, and I was barely a D3 player.


200+ Averages? Easy? remember that averages occur only on 1 frame.

Dude, I just tried that challenge half asleep and got 303 first try. Come on now. It is no harder for a D6 players than a D1 player. You have to hit early; it takes skill to do that.

More generally, I am confused at all the "elitist" complaints. We are lucky to have this game at all, first of all. Second, it's not like 90% of the game is locked to beginning players. You have 100s of songs to play no matter your ability level. As you get better, you have the opportunity to take on some challenges and unlock a few more songs. How on earth is this elitist? Yeah, some of the tokens are hard. Honestly, there should be harder ones. There should be a token for AAA'ing a 90 or above. Fine, 3 people will have it, but it will be a landmark achievement. Similarly, anti PA is a skill whether you like it or not. It takes work.

Sorry for the rant.

[justin_ator]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

Sorry for the rant.

Do me a favor and leave this justified portion out next time bro

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

More generally, I am confused at all the "elitist" complaints. We are lucky to have this game at all, first of all. Second, it's not like 90% of the game is locked to beginning players. You have 100s of songs to play no matter your ability level. As you get better, you have the opportunity to take on some challenges and unlock a few more songs. How on earth is this elitist? Yeah, some of the tokens are hard. Honestly, there should be harder ones. There should be a token for AAA'ing a 90 or above. Fine, 3 people will have it, but it will be a landmark achievement. Similarly, anti PA is a skill whether you like it or not. It takes work.

The game in it's self is not elitist. The community is. (Sorry that's a tid bit of a side note.) But it's no where as bad as say Osu. (Different thread would be needed for that one entirely.)

Again, to me AntiPA can never be seen as a skill no matter how you explain it, simply due to it's nature of the fact it's counter productive. Yeah going for all averages is a talent when you reduce it to one frame, but two of the engines now have an amazing window, that idea is kind of gone.

I only suggested a change to token whore because if we do reorganize the list all the tokens won't be in their original order which kind of forces a change to the requirement.

[qqwref]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

Anti-PA is a skill because you can get better at it with practice. People like awein, rushy, or Dossar can get ridiculous anti-PA scores because they've spent a lot of time specifically trying to get unusual scores like that. Yes, you do have to spend time doing stuff that isn't just PAing harder and harder charts! It's a skill, but the key is, it's a *different* skill from playing the game normally, and the two definitely don't go hand in hand. Middie, you seem to be under the impression that there is only one Proper way of playing the game and everything else is stupid, but I think you're being closed-minded and even anti-fun. Life must be super boring for you.

[justin_ator]

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All sarcasm/mild attacks aside, I agree with qq's post, Middie. It can be fun. It's not going to be fun for everyone. AAA'ing isn't fun to some people either, I'm sure. I enjoy diagonal scroll, does everyone else? Anti-PA can be a fun challenge if you look at it as such. I don't really think it's a terrible thing like you talk it up to be.

[retching oesophagus]

Re: A Bit of Token Talk

Yep, otherwise you might as well say regular FFR is not a skill, due to its nature of the fact it's counterproductive as well.