Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

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  • maximemoring
    FFR Player
    • Apr 2011
    • 19

    #1

    Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

    Asking to the best of the best players out there:

    Do you think you can handle 255 BPM 32nds going on for about 13-14 seconds? (which is true to the chiptune I'm currently stepping)

    Do you think it's overkill, even if it is still true to the song?

    Keep in mind that's 34 notes a second.
  • XelNya
    [Nobody liked that.]
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Sep 2012
    • 3368

    #2
    Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

    The trick is about patterning, and which game you're charting for, and then the real question.

    Who do you want such a file to cater to? If you want it to be hard, and the difficulty is cohesive, go for it.

    If not, maybe make an extra difficulty on Stepmania that has this, and then one with a simplified pattern. Then you get both worlds.

    If it's for FFR, it's not exactly unheard of, but keeping it so a jumptrill-able roll might be in your best interest. (AKA a pattern of 4 3 2 1 4 3 2 1 4 3 2 1 would suffice as it can be [34] [12] ect.)

    Sorry for the vague answer but I hope I covered all the bases.
    Last edited by XelNya; 10-21-2017, 07:18 AM.
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    • Walrusizer
      D7 Elite Keymasher
      • Aug 2014
      • 1080

      #3
      Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

      it's not possible currently unless it's just straight jumptrillable
      is expressing my inability to create a creative signature an act of creativity in and of itself?

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      • MooMoo_Cowfreak
        Abraxas Hydroplane
        • May 2006
        • 1746

        #4
        Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

        Too fast for that long. Just be dishonest but make it more fun by making it 24ths or somethin
        Originally posted by hi19hi19
        dumps abstractly represent the song with arrows

        post-dumps abstractly represent the existential nihilism that the song invokes in the listener with negative space, evoking the ephemeral nature of the mind - the journey of stepmania begins in hope yet soon becomes corroded into a dialectic of futility, leaving only a sense of dread and the unlikelihood of a new synthesis

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        • hi19hi19
          lol happy
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Oct 2005
          • 12194

          #5
          Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

          The difference is between like 2 or 3 players who are the best in the world playing your file once or twice and being like "wow this is a lot"

          Or going with say 24ths and making a file that is accessible to many more top players and will have much more replay value.

          As someone who has enjoyed making both types of files, I say: it's your choice.
          Last edited by hi19hi19; 10-21-2017, 09:29 AM.


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          • xXOpkillerXx
            Forever OP
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Dec 2008
            • 4207

            #6
            Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

            Maybe Shadow will be able to play it lol
            Last edited by xXOpkillerXx; 10-21-2017, 09:33 AM.

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            • TheSaxRunner05
              The Doctor
              • Apr 2006
              • 6144

              #7
              Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

              255 BPM 32nds are the shit

              I just have trouble with 255 BPM 16ths still


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              • Moria
                Sylphid
                • Sep 2017
                • 533

                #8
                Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

                very possible and fun for the whole family

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                • Fantasticone
                  D7 Elite Keymasher
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 6003

                  #9
                  Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

                  Fast, and if your file is pretty simple everywhere else then also a detriment for replay value.

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                  • leonid
                    I am leonid
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    FFR Music Producer
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 8080

                    #10
                    Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

                    Just do it



                    Proud member of Team No

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                    • DossarLX ODI
                      Batch Manager
                      Game Manager
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 14989

                      #11
                      Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

                      Keep in mind with a stream that speed you'd need incredibly simple patterns or it becomes unplayable without some sort of mashing. 13-14 seconds is way too long; even if it was a straight jumptrill roll you'd be better off following the other advice given in this thread.
                      Originally posted by hi19hi19
                      oh boy, it's STIFF, I'll stretch before I sit down at the computer so not I'm not as STIFF next time I step a file

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                      • Rapta
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                        • Dec 2010
                        • 1948

                        #12
                        Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

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                        • maximemoring
                          FFR Player
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 19

                          #13
                          Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

                          Alright, so I made it different, in the 13-14 seconds, only 3.8 seconds of the melody which is in the simplest patern (basically 1-2-3-4 32nds for a couple seconds and 4-3-2-1 32nds for the rest) is stepped in continuous 32nds. The rest are single 4-note 32nd paterns every 4ths. So the same amount of notes as the 16th part before it, but compressed in one 8th (still mostly following the melody) with a pause between the second 8th and the next 4th.

                          1 2 3 4 - - - - 3 4 1 2 - - - - 4 3 2 1, etc. You get the point.

                          Song is Aquellex - Starflight, by the way and the part I am talking about is from 1:47
                          And it is meant for FFR.
                          Last edited by maximemoring; 10-21-2017, 06:19 PM.

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                          • rushyrulz
                            Digital Dancing!
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            FFR Music Producer
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 12985

                            #14
                            Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

                            absolutely not


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                            • DarkZtar
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                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 668

                              #15
                              Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

                              Originally posted by maximemoring
                              Alright, so I made it different, in the 13-14 seconds, only 3.8 seconds of the melody which is in the simplest patern (basically 1-2-3-4 32nds for a couple seconds and 4-3-2-1 32nds for the rest) is stepped in continuous 32nds. The rest are single 4-note 32nd paterns every 4ths. So the same amount of notes as the 16th part before it, but compressed in one 8th (still mostly following the melody) with a pause between the second 8th and the next 4th.

                              1 2 3 4 - - - - 3 4 1 2 - - - - 4 3 2 1, etc. You get the point.

                              Song is Aquellex - Starflight, by the way and the part I am talking about is from 1:47
                              And it is meant for FFR.
                              You were given 3 good options from other people in this thread and you took none of them.

                              Went ahead and listened to the song to see if what you did end up doing will work and it does not, the fast 8bit synth doesn't have super significant volume drops so having arbitrary gaps in 32nds (or 24ths if you end up doing that) creates the illusion of bursts that aren't there. The rhythm is constant, you would best have notes that follow a constant rhythm throughout the section. The bursts of 32nds that you have (assuming you've put them in the right places) could work if you want to follow the percussion in this section, but the melody is much more prominent anyway so that really wouldn't work. I question why you, an inexperienced stepartist, wants to make a file difficult to the point where you can't even playtest it yourself (which is the main/most frequent feedback a stepartist has available). This isn't to say newer stepartists can't make really hard files, but the fact that your attempt at an original solution really doesn't work makes me question your approach to the rest of the file, especially considering you've portrayed this file as a difficulty 105+ just from the original thread question.

                              This also isn't a post attempting to discourage you from making the file, but I'd rather save you time and potential frustration if it's not as good as you think it's going to be. Step back from the file for a bit and work on getting a better overall grasp of stepping in general. Look at the harder files that are already in game and see what they've done with different situations. If anything, examining and understanding what the hard files in ffr have done is your best resource, since that is the standard your file must meet.

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