Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

[maximemoring]

Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

Though, there would be a lot of 32nds that are on the same note only one 16th apart (1-2-3-4-3-2-1 The threes, for example), is that a problem?

Oh also, can someone define a "jumpthrill"?

If possible, can you answer these two questions?

In all seriousness, I can only suggest a more rigid 16th stream passage at this stage in contrast to the ordinary 16th runs from that track.

That could be useful info, what do you mean by "rigid"?

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

someone please end this torment i am in literal agony

[rushyrulz]

Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

Though, there would be a lot of 32nds that are on the same note only one 16th apart (1-2-3-4-3-2-1 The threes, for example), is that a problem?

Oh also, can someone define a "jumpthrill"?

Question 1: Yes. 510 BPM staircase patterns are definitely a problem. I'd say ~200 BPM 32nd would be absolute maximum for stream with any kind of anchoring or minijacking like this
Question 2: I think you mean jumptrill. If you don't know what that is, and you're attempting to step a brutal file for FFR, yikes.

[L.B.D.D]

Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

no

[maximemoring]

Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

Question 1: Yes. 510 BPM staircase patterns are definitely a problem. I'd say ~200 BPM 32nd would be absolute maximum for stream with any kind of anchoring or minijacking like this
Question 2: I think you mean jumptrill. If you don't know what that is, and you're attempting to step a brutal file for FFR, yikes.

1: Yeah, that's what I thought.
2: I'm pretty sure I know what it is, just the way people used the term in this thread (namely jumptrill rolls) gave me the impression what I think it is isn't what it is, as I've never really considered jumptrills to be rollable. We're talking of [13]-[24], [12]-[34], [14]-[23] right? Thanks for being an ass, though. :I

[DarkZtar]

Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

Alright I'll say it, I don't think you're ready to make a file of this difficulty, at least not one that is up to FFR's standards for acceptance through the batch. Just looking through the various questions gives me the impression that you really aren't sure of what you are doing at this point (and the video of that part of the file basically confirms that). Again, not trying to be the naysayer that says you should just stop trying, but temper your expectations accordingly for how you expect the file will probably be received.

[maximemoring]

Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

aren't sure of what you are doing at this point

Why do you think I came here with a question? Because I've got everything figured out? Do you seriously think not answering the question and instead analyzing me is going to help anything?

I came here for some insight, not to know whether or not you think I'm "ready" to make the file. That just sounds elitist.

[rushyrulz]

Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

1: Yeah, that's what I thought.
2: I'm pretty sure I know what it is, just the way people used the term in this thread (namely jumptrill rolls) gave me the impression what I think it is isn't what it is, as I've never really considered jumptrills to be rollable. We're talking of [13]-[24], [12]-[34], [14]-[23] right? Thanks for being an ass, though. :I

It's as simple as using a jumptrill instead of hitting a 32nd wall as individual notes, since you can get away with it without dropping accuracy, especially at this speed. The concern several people in this thread have made is that if the 510 BPM stream isn't jumptrillable, it shouldn't be included. An example you can look to is the FFR song "-+" which includes a few 550ish BPM walls (and when I say 550, I'm referring to the speed it would be if it were a 16th string, which is the standard). If these walls were not at least 90% jumptrillable (and they're 100% jumptrill) I'm pretty sure you'd see an autorejection in the judging process.

And as for being an ass, sure I was, but the concept of jumptrilling rolls is an extremely basic one that anyone attempting to step a file of this difficulty should at least have already known about before starting.

As for the sample you posted earlier, the 32nd bursts are a no-go. The 16th js section is underlayered especially if you're gonna drop that wall hammer on people straight after, and I actually can't hear why you would step any 32nds in this section period just because the type of sound changes. The actual frequency of notes remains the same. Slow the song down to half speed and listen for yourself.

I'd say you have three options, all of which involve killing the 32nds altogether:
1) Keep the layering you have in that first section the same, step a similar stream you have to the first part but with heavier layering for the part you currently have as 32nds. This would create a nice difficulty increase for the heavier section without going overboard. Currently you only have the main drum beats as jumps, where you could put jumps for the second melody that is going on in front of the part you stepped as 16th stream or even the more minor drum beats as well.
2) Apply this layering to all streams that fit the above description and use color theory to make the heavier section more visually interesting.
3) Switch up the patterning while maintaining the same jumpstream structure for the heavier section so that it feels more unique.

[icontrolyourworld]

Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

If you step it like this you can retain a sustainably difficult chart without overdoing the difficulty for the 32nds, players can choose to hit them as rolls or jumptrill them.

all in all i think the real question that needs to be answered is how does the rest of the file compare to the 32nds?, if they are far more difficult than the rest of the file then they should be reduced in difficulty, or the rest of the file should be harder. That's my opinion.

[DarkZtar]

Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

Why do you think I came here with a question? Because I've got everything figured out? Do you seriously think not answering the question and instead analyzing me is going to help anything?

I came here for some insight, not to know whether or not you think I'm "ready" to make the file. That just sounds elitist.

I didn't feel the need to answer the question because several people before me pointed out your viable options. Even after the initial question, I gave you some advice. You then post a video later on of the file showing that you chose to not heed any of said options or advice. Not sure what you expect people to conclude from that. And with regards to your usage of the forum as a resource, yes it is a good place for insight, but there is kind of an understanding that you should have a good grasp of all the basics before you go hard with a 105+ file. Frankly I don't care whether you want to know whether you're ready or not, I said that in the interest of trying to get it through your head that it is probably in your best interest to take a step back and get a grasp of things so that you produce a better file when all is said and done. You're responding as if I'm antagonizing you and daring you to fail but as a fellow stepartist, judge, and someone that wants to see more hard files get into the game, I honestly want you to succeed. Going forward with making a file that you're likely not ready for isn't the fastest way to improve.

[rushyrulz]

Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

I honestly think it's a phase. I stepped circus galop when I was d4.
what a mess.

[maximemoring]

Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

I get what both you and icontrolyourworld (by the way, thank you for the example). I am not specifically trying to make a brutal file, though the melody/sound design, in a way, requires me to make that second part more intense.

I'm currently going for your point 1), where I do a stream, but also move the kick jumps completely off from the first repetition (for overall difficulty progression, I might end up putting it back later) of the first part and add additionnal jumps for the overlaying melody during the second part, effectively so every 4th has a jump. To give it more uniqueness, I've also made it so at that point, it's the jumps following the overall melody, and the single notes are simply following the upwards/downwards motion of the melody in that 4th.

[xXOpkillerXx]

Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

someone please end this torment i am in literal agony

Go back to Etterna rofl


The video preview looks quite messy I approve. The bursts shouldnt be bursts and the roll wall makes no sense (I'd rather see harder patterns than a straight roll if you're going to make it relevant to the music)

[Dynam0]

Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

ilu mat but the engine is the only reason why I quit ffr :'(

[MikeShinoda12345]

Re: Opinion on 255 BPM 32nds?

If the issue is that FFR needs to have more 100+ files then I think I'd expect there to be more SDGs and top-end scores on Make the Fire Burn and Where Is My Balls

FFR could have a huge influx of files only the top 0.001% can play competitively and I don't think it would get that 0.001% back