Is Science our New God?

[perfect_fat]

The big difference between religion and science is this: in religion, you cannot question your greaters or the basic truths given to you; in science, you SHOULD question your greaters and the basic truths to prove their truth, for that is what the entirety of science is (questioning the world around your to find out the truth).

Most of us don't have the capacity to question the relevancy and accuracy of the human genome for example. They have knowledge that the common man doesn't and therefore, they could hold it over the majority.

[SohCahToa]

I would have to agree with fat on this one.... he is making alot of since.

I think one difference between the 2 is this:
1) Religion has a book that was written by many people over a long period of time and a long time ago. So therefore, we "modern humans" think that just because its old it has no basis on the here and now. And also the bible says that we should be kind to each other and share our money, and give any our things; this is just NOT what people want to hear nowa days because they are greedy SOBs.
2) Science tells us that there is no life after death, so its ok to be greedy, be nasty, screw who ever you want, and basicly do whatever the freak u want because hey.... theres really no consequenses to our actions. And good lord... people want to hear that.... because we are greedy and evil by nature.

Poeple seriously think that just because science has a bunch of computers, numbers, and formulea to make everything sound fancy; that its right.

Welll my friends.... we know about 0.0000000000000000000001% of this world... and if you are stupid... thats not alot.

For god's sake... we don't even know why we age.....and noone really wants to find out!

Let me ask you a question guys... do u believe in gravity.... the ozone layer....time itself?

No need to answer... because they are all fake. You can't explain gravity... you just freaking can't. The ozone is a theory, and alot of people expect this fundimental fact, well its not... because it has yet to be proven.

Time....omg time gets its OWN paragraph.... nobody questions whiether time is real or not....why u ask... because theres a computerized clock right in front of you tell you what time it is. Well my friends...time is a measurement.... like inches, centimeters, and the lot... and being a measurement it has to be comepaired to something. Scienists chose a full revolution around our sun to be our day. Why? Because of day and night being so different. well... time just doesn't stop and restart after every single night, nor is it different anywhere else in the universe.

Also... adding on to this, time doesn't exist because it is errational. The past has all ready happened and the future has yet to happen. Also the present can be broken down to as many places after the decmal point as you want.... it will never stop, therefor it does not exist.

Wow....getting off subject alittle......back on track now....

to the person that said if some comes up with a theory and people examine it carefully and see if anythings wrong, what about our freaking number system. Not to pick on you... but....

have u ever asked your self: why are there errational number, why can't Pi be found (thats 3.14...... number), why are there repeating decimals?

Did you ever stop to think that maybe our number system is totally wrong? Theres no examination of our number system because our scienctist think that they are 100% right, when they could be 100% wrong all the time. Nobdy really wants to think that anyways, because all science did for us was they made apps to an already existing numberical system. Can any of us even THINK of a way to have math different. the answer is no.... because we have been tought this since we have been able to remember... and we have been tought this to be a fact...when in fact if it was the perfect number system it would have so many errors in as ours does. People blame the bible for contradicting itself alot.... when our own science does it 4 million times more, and yet we have never questioned numbers... thats really wierd to me.

lol... wow.... welll thats my rant... sorry for the lack of spelling/grammer... i was typing this in a hurry to get back to ffr 8D

oh by the way

What about things like...like...Snakes? They tell you how poisonous they all are and how quickly you can die and where you should look out for them, and what to do if youre bit...What they dont tell you as often is that the feeling of holding a snake in your hands is really cool and fun and they can get rid of your rodent problem...

thats the lawyers job to tell u that u can't do things... not science...

[jewpinthethird]

1) Religion has a book that was written by many people over a long period of time and a long time ago. So therefore, we "modern humans" think that just because its old it has no basis on the here and now. And also the bible says that we should be kind to each other and share our money, and give any our things; this is just NOT what people want to hear nowa days because they are greedy SOBs

2) Science tells us that there is no life after death, so its ok to be greedy, be nasty, screw who ever you want, and basicly do whatever the freak u want because hey.... theres really no consequenses to our actions. And good lord... people want to hear that.... because we are greedy and evil by nature.

That is why the world is 89% religious freaks. And I have never heard a scientist say anything of that sort. And who said scientists cant be religious? Look at Darwin (known for his studies on evolution or the "founder" of the theory), he was studying to become a reverend.

Scienists chose a full revolution around our sun to be our day

Mayans came up with an accurate calander years before anyone else. Also, "time" existed way before "science". Back when people thought the FLAT Earth was the center of the Universe, and everything revolved around it because the church says so. It was scientists who decived that the world was round and that it revolved around the sun. Also, time is intangible, it does not truly exist, but people rely on it to keep track of events.

"Scienists chose a full revolution around our sun to be our day"

That would be a year. The time it takes the earth to spin a full rotation around its axis is a "day" which happens to be 24 hours.

"For god's sake... we don't even know why we age.....and noone really wants to find out"

At a certian point, the body, due to a lack of metabolism and whatnot, begins to stop producing cells as fast as before. The body deteriates. The immune system becomes weak. Bones become britle due to the lack of minerals the body is about to produce (interesting fact: the bones in your body will never be much more than 12 years old. They are constently being broken down and reinforced, when one gets old, they arent reinforced -> Osteoporosis).

Gravity? It is the force that keeps us on this Earth. The rotation of the Earth (aprox. 1000mph) forces us to stay put on the surface. Ever riden a rollercoaster? You know that feeling when you are pushed down into your seat (aka G-force) That is gravity.

Pi is the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of a circle. It never ends because a circle never ends.

nobody questions whiether time is real or not

http://flashflashrevolution.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=8970&sid=60722b2917c505fd48eb3ee32e8251f9

Wow.

when our own science does it 4 million times more, and yet we have never questioned numbers... thats really wierd to me.

Name a contridiction one. If there are so many, it shouldnt be hard.

http://flashflashrevolution.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=9273&sid=6d9eda3de87a06bcaedfdbd7c562932a

Never questioned numbers, hell, we've questioned our entire math system.

Oh, and scientists didnt create numbers. They were "discovered" before recorded history.

[User6773]

As I've found, being a devout Christian, many atheists use the fact that religion can't be scientifically proven to discredit it entirely. They then use terms like "freaks", "brainwashing", or as Jewpin said "imaginary friend" to make the religious seem somehow idiotic or blind to the realities of the world.

I believe that religion and science are not enemies, because obviously God would have had to create science - God would have had to determine how things were going to work and why. Science has created an obsession with "proof" though - secular people think that just because they can't get scientific proof of God that he doesn't exist.

Note to the secularists: Faith is a very deep and powerful thing that defies normal explanation. You should attempt to understand why people are faithful before riding it off as a silly fantasy. And don't just use excuses like "they're trying to get over their insecurities" or "they're trying to keep from despairing" or something like that. Accept the fact that maybe, just maybe, there might be something greater in the universe that wants to talk to us, even though so often we refuse to listen, hopelessly enamored with the tangible world around us. Understand the gifts that faith gives to the faithful.

[Jam930]

just some thoughts...

hundreds of thousands of religions on this planet. each religion claiming every single other religion is the world is false...well...that rules out EVERY religion in the world as bs except for one, which might also be bs, but we're not sure. therefore more than 99% of religion consists of falsity and deception. the chances that one single religion we're not totally sure about is a true religion, even though it's much like all the others, is like 0.000001%. no offense chardish, this is just logic

i need water.

[deposition]

Science has created an obsession with "proof" though - secular people think that just because they can't get scientific proof of God that he doesn't exist.

people have always been obsessed with proof, but they have never had the technology to proove certain things. now that we do, we have found out many things that we have prooven that contrast the bible, and more and more people are rejecting it.

[fusi0n]

Science has created an obsession with "proof" though - secular people think that just because they can't get scientific proof of God that he doesn't exist.

people have always been obsessed with proof, but they have never had the technology to proove certain things. now that we do, we have found out many things that we have prooven that contrast the bible, and more and more people are rejecting it.

[Anonymous]

hmmm.... in all my life i have never heard a christian say that another religion is"wrong".... welll MAYBE satanism... but thats a strech .

chardish..... most of the athists really don't know what the hell they are talking about. Most of them chose the title because thier friends do, and that it sounds cool.
They live to much in the physical world, and don't really realise that "god" is a abstract being. Its like your mind...or your brain... your mind. You can't explain your mind, because it is also abstract. You can't explain the little voice in your head that is you.

also... name one thing that science contadictes itself.... hmmm... off the top of my head...

Can Science explain the modius strip? Its is a 3-d object with 2 perfectly different sides, and yet it has only one plain. Meaning... i place my pen down on it... i can write on both sides of the paper without lifting my pen once. the contridiction is that if there are 2 surfaces then my pen should not be able to do that.

also... you said that inaging, the cells stop producing as fast as before.... but why? It couldn't be the lack of mineral... because you could pump all the nessisary minerals u need into your body and still age.

Also gravity isn't as simple as that. If what you say is true.... then in space i could take a bowling ball and a grain of sand and the grian of sand would then the sand revolve around the bowling ball, and yet it does not. odd that its selective don't u think?

wierd that 2 posts are alike to...madness i say madness!

[Jam930]

hmmm.... in all my life i have never heard a christian say that another religion is"wrong".... welll MAYBE satanism... but thats a strech .

...have you ever left your computer? pretty much every branch of christianity claims other branches to be false.

chardish..... most of the athists really don't know what the hell they are talking about. Most of them chose the title because thier friends do, and that it sounds cool.
They live to much in the physical world, and don't really realise that "god" is a abstract being. Its like your mind...or your brain... your mind. You can't explain your mind, because it is also abstract. You can't explain the little voice in your head that is you.

what the hell are you talking about? sounds cool? when u dont believe something, it just means you dont believe it. it doesnt mean you're trying to be cool.

also... name one thing that science contadictes itself.... hmmm... off the top of my head...

Can Science explain the modius strip? Its is a 3-d object with 2 perfectly different sides, and yet it has only one plain. Meaning... i place my pen down on it... i can write on both sides of the paper without lifting my pen once. the contridiction is that if there are 2 surfaces then my pen should not be able to do that.

the thing is...there isn't 2 sides. there is only one and it goes around on itself, and you just explained that.

also... you said that inaging, the cells stop producing as fast as before.... but why? It couldn't be the lack of mineral... because you could pump all the nessisary minerals u need into your body and still age.

age = b/c of time. screw minerals. things wear down through exposure.

Also gravity isn't as simple as that. If what you say is true.... then in space i could take a bowling ball and a grain of sand and the grian of sand would then the sand revolve around the bowling ball, and yet it does not. odd that its selective don't u think?

neither has enough mass. and things dont just revolve, genius. when u jump, do u start revolving around the earth until u come back down? no u go directly right back to it. shortest distance between 2 points is a striaght line. the reasons things orbit eachother in space is because they have enough velocity to not be simply sucked in. plus the mass of a star a light-year away would have more of an effect.

wierd that 2 posts are alike to...madness i say madness!

...i rest my case.
=P

[Anonymous]

hjmmm.... for some reason my post wasn't logged in... wierd.... anyway...

thanks all the rude comments... that was really needed. i am posting to help explain my ideas....and you have no right to be rude to something that wasn't derected to u.

ok... now that u have my full attecation i shall explain to the flaws in what u say.

Where to start... hmmm lets start with the mobius strip. There are to completely different sides smart guy. Do u even know what a mobius strip is? If u did u wouldknow what i am talking about.... but sences its become clear to me that you don't know what it is... i shall explain.

A mobius strip is a piece of paper... a "strip" if u will...with one twist in it. You tape the 2 oppiset sides together an you have your mobius strip.

There are two sperate sides, the inner side and the outerside; and yet there is only 1 plane for the 2 sides, where there should be 2 planes to the 2 sides.

Your age answer was that of a 5 year olds answer. "Well um.... just cause....er...EXPOSURE...um...yeah...thats it....". That is basicly what u convaded to me. Your lack of explaination shows your lack of knowledge of the subject at hand. Exposure means absolutly nothing to me.... exposure to what.... air? elements? people? You basicly felt that i was wrong and you came up with a general answer to make yourself feel smart. It was so gerenal that you couldn't possibly be wrong, cause exposure means everything.

Next time i would like a more educated answers, for you just displayed an 9th level of intelligence and masked it with big words to sound convincing..wait there were no big words, your making statements without facts.

Let me ask you this....Why don't things just revolve? The reason WE don't move is because are already effected by the pressure of our atmosphere bearing down on us. But that is NOT true for a "0 gravity" enviroment, because they is no gravity to influence the out come.

The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line...... wtf... why on EARTH did u put that in there? i would like to know what purpose that had in that paragraph. That was just an ignorent statement, and furthers your loss of credibility with that idioticly placed statement. Though it is true... it has no place in your post what so ever. Learn to use theroms in the correct places.

Also, i would like to ask where the planets got that velocity, and how the planets come to reolve around it?

What do u mean sucked in... sucked into what? orbit? the other planet?

And how would a star a light year away have any sort of effect?

Do u have any idea how fast light travels.... it takes 8 minutes for light to hit us from the sun. A light year away sun would have no effect... even pluto is not a light year away.

the only thing u rest your case on is that you have no clue what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

hjmmm.... for some reason my post wasn't logged in... wierd.... anyway...

thanks all the rude comments... that was really needed. i am posting to help explain my ideas....and you have no right to be rude to something that wasn't derected to u.

ok... now that u have my full attecation i shall explain to the flaws in what u say.

Where to start... hmmm lets start with the mobius strip. There are to completely different sides smart guy. Do u even know what a mobius strip is? If u did u wouldknow what i am talking about.... but sences its become clear to me that you don't know what it is... i shall explain.

A mobius strip is a piece of paper... a "strip" if u will...with one twist in it. You tape the 2 oppiset sides together an you have your mobius strip.

There are two sperate sides, the inner side and the outerside; and yet there is only 1 plane for the 2 sides, where there should be 2 planes to the 2 sides.

Your age answer was that of a 5 year olds answer. "Well um.... just cause....er...EXPOSURE...um...yeah...thats it....". That is basicly what u convaded to me. Your lack of explaination shows your lack of knowledge of the subject at hand. Exposure means absolutly nothing to me.... exposure to what.... air? elements? people? You basicly felt that i was wrong and you came up with a general answer to make yourself feel smart. It was so gerenal that you couldn't possibly be wrong, cause exposure means everything.

Next time i would like a more educated answers, for you just displayed an 9th level of intelligence and masked it with big words to sound convincing..wait there were no big words, your making statements without facts.

Let me ask you this....Why don't things just revolve? The reason WE don't move is because are already effected by the pressure of our atmosphere bearing down on us. But that is NOT true for a "0 gravity" enviroment, because they is no gravity to influence the out come.

The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line...... wtf... why on EARTH did u put that in there? i would like to know what purpose that had in that paragraph. That was just an ignorent statement, and furthers your loss of credibility with that idioticly placed statement. Though it is true... it has no place in your post what so ever. Learn to use theroms in the correct places.

Also, i would like to ask where the planets got that velocity, and how the planets come to reolve around it?

What do u mean sucked in... sucked into what? orbit? the other planet?

And how would a star a light year away have any sort of effect?

Do u have any idea how fast light travels.... it takes 8 minutes for light to hit us from the sun. A light year away sun would have no effect... even pluto is not a light year away.

the only thing u rest your case on is that you have no clue what you are talking about.

[VxDx]

chardish..... most of the athists really don't know what the hell they are talking about. Most of them chose the title because thier friends do, and that it sounds cool.
They live to much in the physical world, and don't really realise that "god" is a abstract being.

first off, that is an ignorant generalization, and secondly do you realize that you say that atheists are wrong because they "live too much in the real world", when the real world is the only world that anyone has experience with? You say that the atheists are the ones who do not understand and yet you are the one who makes gross assumptions in regards to god and how he exists. I'd challenge you to find me one piece of concrete evidence regarding the existance of god. granted, that is not a disproof of god, which is why I am not atheist, but it sure is interesting that you claim that atheists don't know " what the hell they are talking about" and yet you are the one who believes in something that cannot be proven true, and defend your beliefs on the basis that you believe it.

also... name one thing that science contadictes itself.... hmmm... off the top of my head...

Can Science explain the modius strip? Its is a 3-d object with 2 perfectly different sides, and yet it has only one plain. Meaning... i place my pen down on it... i can write on both sides of the paper without lifting my pen once. the contridiction is that if there are 2 surfaces then my pen should not be able to do that.

it's a möbius strip. just becuase you dont understand it doesn't mean that it proves that science contradicts itself. in order to turn a two sided piece of paper into a möbius strip you have to give it a half twist and connect it. it's at that junction that you mistake ignorance with contradiction. when your pen leaves one end and touches the other, it switches which side it is writing on. you're trying to apply euclidean geometry to a situation where it doesn't exist.

[VxDx]

That is basicly what u convaded to me.

...masked it with big words to sound convincing

maybe you should learn to properly use those "big words" before you make some crazy accusations.

Let me ask you this....Why don't things just revolve? The reason WE don't move is because are already effected by the pressure of our atmosphere bearing down on us. But that is NOT true for a "0 gravity" enviroment, because they is no gravity to influence the out come.

pressure has nothing to do with not moving (with respect to where you jumped from) when you jump. nothing at all.

Learn to use theroms in the correct places.

yeah, theorums, like the ones you use to support all your claims...

And how would a star a light year away have any sort of effect?

the only thing u rest your case on is that you have no clue what you are talking about.

her point was that is doesn't have an effect ace. learn to read.

also, to quote you...

thanks all the rude comments... that was really needed

hypocrisy at it's finest.

[SohCahToa]

ok ok... let us be mature about this. There is no need to flame each other, because this will go on forever. I did not mean to start a fight, and i was wrong for faning the flames with my unprofessional comments. I would like to apologise to jam, it was not place right to mock your opinions on my postes.

I would like to move on from that and dicuss this without name calling and anger, and talk about theorys like adults.

I will admit that i am wrong about the athist thing.... man... wtf was i thinking when i put that there. My statement was based upon the people, that are like that, that are around me. Most of them don't really know why they are, they just say "because he don't". Realise that statement is on a personal basis, and therefore will be wrong for the general crowd.

"pressure of our atmosphere bearing down on us" was another word for gravity. And that statement was for the question "do u start revolving around the earth until u come back down?" and i was giving the reason why we don't move when we jump.

[VxDx]

it's not gravity either, it's angular momentum.