Is Science our New God?

[VxDx]

Organized Religion - The downfall of society.



Sins... so much bullsh!t there that i want to vomit... and laugh at how im still not going too hell, even though a book says I will.

stop trying to start fights. you make yourself look like an idiot.

[SUSUGAM]

Not starting anything... Im voicing my opinion.

And i feel what i feel.

[SohCahToa]

hmmmm.... not really liking where this is leading to...but i'll play along.

First of all, mentaly ill people can't sin. If you sin, without ever knowing that it was a sin, then it is not a sin. The seriously mentally ill people can't even tell right from wrong, so how could they ever sin? They can't, even if that person kills 20 people it is still not a sin; because he has no way of knowing that it is wrong. If i was from a different country where the custom was to punch you in the face as a friendly gretting, and i come to the US and the first person i meet i use my countries way of saying hello by punch the guy right in his face. Would that be wrong on my part because i didn't know that this was "wrong" in the US, heck no. that was an example, there is no country with that custom (that i know of) it was used purly as an example.

Also, you are born gay. Simple as that. You don't just wake up one morning and go "hey, i'm gay".

Let me explain that alittle better. Do u (and i am assuming that u are straight, u may not be, i don't know... this is an example and i mean no offence by it) ,as a straight person, deside that you like the oppiset sex? Do u have to wake up each morning and make that choice over and over and over again? Probily not. The same goes for everything in your psyci, what are your likes, your dislikes and everything that makes up your personallity.Granted up bringing DOES have an influence on how you think and act, so it is also possible to not be born gay and still be gay.

The reason why I think that everybody, namely religion, has a problem with being gay is because it is not procreative.I can see where they are coming from, but also the bible tells us not to judge people, but to treat everyone with the same respect as you would like to be treated.Therefore, i really don't have a problem with gays. I wouldn't hate you for being gay, you can't hate a person soly on the fact that they are different and you don't like it.

God is not "cruel" because he makes people with handicaps, he makes them because he has to.Think of it this way, there HAS to be evil in the world to know what good is. How horrible would it be if EVERYONE was perfectly healthy and not a thing wrong with them and nothing ever went wrong, we could never apprecate how truely good we have it because we wouldn't have anything to compair it to because everything was always at its best.

Drac, man, you take bible stories way to literaly. Of course you could never ever ever fit all the animals in thwe world into a boat, hell we couldn't even to that now. Hell the bible said that Noah lived to be 900 years old. It was a story made to make a more abstract point, not be 100% fact. Its like saying the 3 little pigs couldnever happen because a wolfs' lungs could not produce enough force of blowing air to knock down a house. of course it couldn't have happened, its a story that teaches a lession.

Educated masses seek answer and further science in the search for knowledge. Uneducated masses must resort to religion to find a reason for life. Educated masses can choose their future, whether they believe or not, whether they will search for answers or not. Uneducated masses are not allowed to choose

Freaking bullseye dude, that is a very true statement no madder how u cut it. I agree with that statement alot.

[DracIV]

SohCahToa, the 900 years thing didn't refer to our years. It translates to 83 years old. (Don't ask me how, but it is true).

You used the one argument I hate the most. "We need evil to know good." You don't need to appreciate the good things in life to be happy. Happiness doesn't require something to compare it against. If everyone was happy in the world and everything was perfect, life would be perfect. Appreciation of what you have would probably be a nice thing, but we don't necessarily need it. And besides, do we need evil consuming the whole world to appreciate our lives? Couldn't we just have the occasional natural disaster and a few bad things to make us appreciate? When the whole world is fighting evil and barely keeping things at a stalemate, that goes a bit beyond "enough evil to appreciate the good."

[aleco]

Okay, the story of Noah IS MEANT TO BE A REAL STORY, NOT A MORAL LESSON. Whether you think it could happen or not is left to you.
Also every single person sins a lot. Every single person. Not just people who "know something is wrong and do it". You can not know something is wrong and still have it counted as sin.
DracIV- 900 years means 900 years. That was because sin had been in being for not close to as long and hadn't taken effect as much yet. Obviously it won't be compared to modern times.

[DracIV]

Aleco, it wasn't 900 years. If he lived 900 years, he would have crossed into a new era of history and been recorded somewhere. He wasn't. It wasn't 900 years as we think, it was another time unit. And besides, you contributed absolutely nothing except to say "No, that is wrong, you're wrong, end."

Either way, Noah's story is a moral one whether or not it is the original. It teaches that if you piss off god too much, you die and everything your ancestors had ever accomplished is wiped. I don't care for that at all when it relates to our time, but back then it had a useful meaning for inspiring fear and gaining control.

[makaveli121212]

when will people reailze that arguing over religion is stupid and pointless

[DracIV]

When we get to page 38,394,490,004,129,094,025,052,055 or get tired with this thread.

[aleco]

^^How true.^^

DracIV: I have no clue where you got that from.

[makaveli121212]

to argue for or against religion you have to be a very ignorant person because you would be arguing for and against things that cannot by solidly proven true...anyone who argues over it is a moron, and thats not debateable

[aleco]

Nothing can be solidly proven true. You can't even be sure you exist.
We're all morons, in our own way.

[VxDx]

for someone who has the ability to question existance, you sure do believe a lot of unproven ideas without question.

[makaveli121212]

well im not a ghost ill tell you that

[DracIV]

"arguing for and against things that cannot by solidly proven true..."

Ah, but they can be proven False!

[makaveli121212]

no, you cant prove the things true for the arguement and you cant prove the things against true either