New atom

[Jello]

all I will say is that its impossible for the protons and neutrons to go around the electrons as to that they would all clump together due to gravity. that and formost should have been your first thought.

[makaveli121212]

You also have to remember that Rutherford's experiment (i think) proved that the atom is the most dense in its center...and since neutrons and protons weigh 10^10 times as much as electrons they (the electrons) cannot be on the inside...

[VxDx]

...they would all clump together due to gravity...

not gravity chief.

[Thingy]

I agree with VxDx. Protons and Neutrons would clump because of the strong nuclear force, if they would clump at all (they'd have to whack into each other mighty fast to get past the electromagnetic force). Not only that, electrons couldnt clump because they arent affected by the strong nuclear force, so there is nothing to overpower the electromagnetic force pushing them apart.

At such small scales, gravity might as well not exist.

[Chrissi]

Peeeople peeeople. Gravity hardly works on such small things. Not even things the size of humans. Not even things the size of houses. You could make an atom twice as high as you and nothing would stick to it "due to gravity". You don't understand the massiveness of gravity. Maybe you are referring to the nuclear force or the electrostatic force. I don't know enough about these to tell which one it is, but I know enough about gravity to know that's not it.

[GuidoHunter]

Problems with his model of the atom:
1. As Maka said, they are densest in the middle
2. As Thingy said, the nucleons would clump due to the strong nuclear force, whereas the electrons would not.
3. Separating the neutrons from the protons would cause extreme instability, and the atom would collapse and decay.
4. Nothing that could fit in the center of something with orbiting nucleons could have enough mass to create enough gravity to hold the other particles in orbit
5. Where are the electrons? You can't have chemistry, electricity, or magnetism without them.
6. He underestimates the "implosions and explosions" in the way that they are usually irreparable, not repeatable. Take stars, for instance. They either implode or explode, not one or the other.
7. Regarding the orbits of the protons and neutrons in their "ovals", how can something orbit nothing?

Anyway, this is why I say his model was more intuitive as a model of the universe rather than as a model of the atom, and that the atom was more of a by-product that snuck in there.

Yeah, and even though gravity is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between two particles (which would be VERY small in the atomic case), that can't overcome the very small gravitational constant and the mass of both particles, so gravity is, in fact, negligible in this case.

--Guido

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[JustJono]

As Guido said, the "New Atom" (notice I put it in quotation marks a few times), was meant to be a representation of my crappy little theory.

[jazzmosis]

**Oh, and Jazz, nucleons very much CAN spin. They have a quantum spin number just like electrons, and although that doesn't always have anything to do with the physical act of spinning, they still do.

--Guido

Sorry.. inproper usage of words of my point. Neutrons can't orbit as they aren't attracted to anything.

[IronMonk]

ahh, well firtly to add to your books to read list, a definate read would be "a short history of nearly everything" excelent book covering just about everything and how it works "universe, solar systems, biology, evolution," stuff like that

also, neutrons are akin to a really really hot a-sexual person, everything is attracted to them but they arent attracted back.

[fusi0n]

guys, i was thinking about this in study hall and i found out how the end of the universe looks like. it's near o2 planet and the end is magenta because magenta is like purple. i've collaborated a diagram i spent hours on on paint.

take that ine-stine.

[deposition]

HOLY SHIT i cant believe it!!!! Everything is comming clear now!!!

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[peregrine]

oh and FYI... Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy that studies that nature of reality, truth and knowledge... it has nothing to do with scientific Physics. It was only named so because in Aristotle's notes it was the chapter after Physics (the prefix "meta" simply means "after"). Not to harp on ya, just to give some interesting trivia and clarification.

[Chrissi]

Aggghh... mod alert, admin, anyone... please ban that person :\ Holy fuck, they made the window scroll sideways 87 times over. With spam. Holy fuck. It's spam-alicious.

At the very leasy SOMEONE please edit his post

[JustJono]

Peregrine, that's a bonus for me, because I love philosophy.

PS: are you the djperegrine working on the Matrix Rayne mod for Madness Interactive?

[Jam930]

fusi0n...ugh